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So I'm looking to buy my first ever gaming computer exclusively to play DCS World F/A-18C in VR. It's hella confusing, but after reading forums here about requirements here is a setup I should be able to afford. Keen on hearing your opinions:

 

 

 

- 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6 Core Socket AM4 3.6GHz CPU Processor

- 1 x MSI B450-A PRO MAX AM4 ATX Motherboard

- 1 x Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER WINDFORCE OC 3X 8GB Video Card

- 1 x Intel 660p 512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 3D2 SSD

- 2 x Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR4 CL14 2400MHz (is having 4 x 8GB cards the same as a single 32GB card??)

- 1 x Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler

 

 

I'm mostly concerned about the graphics card. I see others talking about the 2080 and 2080TI cards and how great they are. That will really push the price up. Will that RTX 2070 cause any problems playing in VR???

 

 

Thanks in advance.

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What headset are you aiming for? I would say with a Rift S (And maybe even a Reverb) You'd be fine. If you're aiming for a PIMAX...maybe not.

 

 

I run a GTX 1080 paired with the R5 3600, and am GPU bottlenecked. The 2070 Super is about 11% faster than the GTX 1080, but I'd wager you'll still be GPU bottlenecked with that chip. I run at around 45FPS on the ground, and can get up to 90 at altitude with decent graphics on Oculus Rift CV1. The Rift S should work well.

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A2597, thanks for that. Yep, I'll be using the Rift S. Sounds like I will just meet the requirements with the possibility of some bottleneck. How much RAM are you running?

 

 

Expect DCS to always be bottle-necked by something, LOL

 

 

 

I run 16GB of low latency DDR 4, no issues, even online.

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The Ram is way to slow for Ryzen !

 

Get 3200-3600 with low latency

 

Slower than 3200 will leave a lot of power for gaming on Ryzen on the table.

 

...and get 32GB if you plan on VR or MP.

Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X 

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Agreed on the RAM issue. There is a very big difference with Ryzen CPU's between 2400 and 3200+. Additionally, it absolutely matters if you have 1 stick or 2 sticks of RAM. Single stick puts the RAM into single channel mode while having 2 or 4 puts it into dual channel if you use the correct slots. Dual channel memory effectively has twice the bandwidth, so yeah, that's important and doesn't add to the cost.

 

 

The good news is that won't bump the overall cost of the system up by more than maybe $15. 3200 MHz RAM is often the same price as 2400, so no point getting the slower RAM.

System specs: i5-10600k (4.9 GHz), RX 6950XT, 32GB DDR4 3200, NVMe SSD, Reverb G2, WinWing Super Libra/Taurus, CH Pro Pedals.

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Ideal is 3600mhz cl16 or even lower latency, cl14 was killer :)

 

3200cl 14 is also great, I used that on my last build with a 3800x gigabyte aorus ultra X570.

GSkill has a „made for Ryzen“ kit 3200cl14 with 16 or 32GB, works out of the box with xmp/docp on said board

Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X 

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Or was it Ballistix kit ...? On train TDY, can’t check. They are called FlareX and certified for Ryzen.


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Thanks everyone. I've made some adjustments. Decided to go for Intel instead:

 

 

- Intel Core i7 9700K Octa Core LGA 1151 3.60GHz

- Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER WINDFORCE OC 3X 8GB Video Card

- Samsung 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" SATA III 6GB/s V-NAND SSD

- Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x 16GB) DDR4 3200MHz Memory

- MSI Z390-A PRO LGA 1151 ATX Motherboard

- Corsair Hydro Series H55 120mm Quiet Liquid CPU Cooler

- Oculus Rift S

- Logitech X56 HOTAS and throttle

- Logitech G Flight Sim Rudder Pedals

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Interesting. What was the difference in total cost between the AMD and Intel systems?

 

2070S should be plenty with Rift S

 

Whether you're CPU or GPU limited depends on what you're up to. You can make yourself GPU limited by running extreme amounts of anti-aliasing (PD 2+, pretty much any amount of MSAA). So, don't do that. Even so, you'll find yourself CPU limited on busy multiplayer servers. You can mitigate that to a certain extent with settings but for the most part, it just is what it is

 

I wouldn't dig in too deep on the HOTAS and pedals just yet, I'd look at the T16K set as a starter. You'll probably want to upgrade all of that stuff eventually; meanwhile, I think that stick will get you farther than the logitech. When I fly formation with people using the X56 I just don't think they have the fine control, and this includes people you would think have excellent stick skills. The throttle as it turns out is based on the F18 throttle; the radar control and the mini-stick work really well with the F18 module. End of the day, both in day to day operation and later on doing formation flying and aerial refueling, you may wind up getting a little more with the thrustmaster set, for less $


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Ryzen 5600X (stock), GBX570, 32Gb RAM, AMD 6900XT (reference), G2, WInwing Orion HOTAS, T-flight rudder

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Thanks everyone. I've made some adjustments. Decided to go for Intel instead:

 

 

- Intel Core i7 9700K Octa Core LGA 1151 3.60GHz

- Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER WINDFORCE OC 3X 8GB Video Card

- Samsung 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" SATA III 6GB/s V-NAND SSD

- Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x 16GB) DDR4 3200MHz Memory

- MSI Z390-A PRO LGA 1151 ATX Motherboard

- Corsair Hydro Series H55 120mm Quiet Liquid CPU Cooler

- Oculus Rift S

- Logitech X56 HOTAS and throttle

- Logitech G Flight Sim Rudder Pedals

 

 

Cool, you'll notice that your Boost Clock (Stock-Speed) will be more than adequate to push everything up to amazing quality settings! I did the 8700K last year (6 cores running 4.4Ghz in DCS) and did 32GB DDR4 @3000Mhz and host up to 24 pilots with no stress to my system. Your internet connection quality can affect your experience so go for 250gb DL or better. Try the H80 or H100 if you can swing it for cooling. Your system you have there will be sufficiently future proof for quite a while in DCS. Congrats!

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am I reading it correct that you are only getting a single 500gb SSD?

 

If so, that will be fine for boot drive, but you'll be wanting more than that reasonably quickly if you get lots of modules, or do anything other than DCS.

 

indeed, better get 1 x 1TB or plan on buying a 2nd SSD in the near future

 

I also second the concern for a more potent cooling like a H100 or H110.

Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X 

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Good news is Dcs is easy to move, so if short on money, you may get away with a 500gb... but if you’ve got the money, go bigger, or a second 1tb.

 

For reference. My PC is 2 months old, so isnt full of crap. I have 206gb used on my boot drive, which is windows, office, photoshop, lightroom, and a handful of small apps (notepad ++, 7zip, etc).

 

My game drive has used 333gb, and it only has:

- DCS default maps etc, only add on is f18 and f14 - DCS accounts for 75gb

- MX vs ATV ~16gb

- GTA 5 (90gb)

- a handfull of other games on my Steam catalogue, but 95% I haven't installed on this PC as yet (never play them).


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Ryzen 5 3600 | 5700 XT | 32gb | NVME

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Slightly off-topic, but has anyone done any benchmarking in DCS around newer AMD and Intel procs to see what the benefit is? I've got a nearly 3 year old 7700K OC'd to 4.7, and from what I can tell any upgrade (3900X or 9700K) would be more of a sidegrade for gaming, but DCS is different from most gaming titles in how compute intense it is.

PC - 3900X - Asus Crosshair Hero VIII - NZXT Kraken 63 - 32 GB RAM - 2080ti - SB X-Fi Titanium PCIe - Alienware UW - Windows 10

 

Sim hardware - Warthog throttle - VKB Gunfighter III - CH Quadrant - Slaw Device Pedals - Obutto R3volution pit - HP Reverb G2 - 2X AuraSound shakers

 

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I wouldnt update now from a 7700k. Your best bet would be to oc it further to 5.0GHz.

 

Once DCS uses more available cores, DDR5 andPCIgen4 becomes mainstream it might look different. For now, oc it to the max will bring the best results imho.

Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X 

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