imacken Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 yep no argument using the shaders mod is a compromise, but on mid range hardware, its sort of essential to keep the 45FPS in most scenarios with "reasonable quality and smoothness" ... i would love to run without it ... but in a straight choice between running with the MOD and VR and without the MOD at TrackIR i choose VR...that said my MB and processor and memory funds are nearly complete s my view may change then :) I think that sums it up perfectly, Stuart! Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Regarding Water If you back off the water graphical setting to "MEDIUM," you lose all of the white caps and cool surface features. You get better FPS (in 2.5.6) but a worse look than 2.5.5 set on high, which had no FPS penalty and all the cool surface features (which, in my opinion, already looked great!). It would be cool if the new water "MEDIUM" could be the old (2.5.5) water "HIGH," with the old whitecaps, surface features, etc. But I know that is probably easier said than done as I'm a programming ignoramus. Edited February 18, 2020 by wilbur81 i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Sure on the feedback side, but you're still forgetting like many of us, it's OpenBeta, it's not obligated to be optimized, IMO. Is stable obligated to be optimized? Just curious, because as you know OB becomes stable a month later, bugs and all. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaTzo Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Is stable obligated to be optimized? Just curious, because as you know OB becomes stable a month later, bugs and all. THIS THIS THIS! Every time people say "You shouldn't use the OB then. It's BETA!!! Use Stable!!" Stable may have a misleading name. :) F-14B, A-10C,F-18C Lot 20, F-16C, UH-1H, SA342, Spitfire LF Mk IX, F-15C, Mig-29, Supercarrier, Nevada, Persian Gulf i9 9900k 5.0GHz, 32GB RAM, 1080Ti, Rift S, Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind pedals, Dual Monitors 4K & 1080 Every Day, Someone Uses Cute Krispy Snacks [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shack Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Ditto. Another VR FPS drop. FPS at 8-12 on the ramp. Intel i9 7980XE @4.4Hz 64GB DDR4 RAM at 2666MHz GTX 1080Ti with 11GB GDDR5X Reverb Pro HMD HOTAS: TM Warthog throttle / TM F18 Grip Dual H640P Huion tablets used with VRK (Virtual Kneeboard ) software Gametrix JetSeat with SimShaker DOF Reality P6, 6 axis Motion Platform [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 VR performance loss here, as well. Even on simple missions with small amount of units. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripen 4-1 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Framerates with the new update 20.02.2020 still shitty in the F18. Instant Mission with many AI Units still low 20's. Campaign Arab Spring Mission 2 13 FPS. Unplayable!!! SYS: MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge Wifi || Ryzen 5900x || Gainward RTX4090 || 2x16 Gb Crucial Ballistix RGB 3200@3800 || XPG Core Reactor 850 Watt PSU || Kingston Fury 2 TB NVME SSD || WD SN850 1TB NVME || 1 x 500 GB Crucial MX300 SATA SSD || 2 x HDD 3TB || Thrustmaster F-16 & F-18 Stick on Virpil War BRD Bases || WinWing Orion2 F-16EX Viper Throttle Combo || WinWing Orion2 F/A-18 Hornet Throttle Combo (With Finger Lift) || WinWing Takeoff Panel II MFG Crosswind Pedals w. Damper || 3 x Thrustmaster Cougar MFD || Multipurpose UFC || Wheel Stand Pro II VR: HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripen 4-1 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 First Mission Task force challenenger good framerates on the cat 42 FPS SYS: MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge Wifi || Ryzen 5900x || Gainward RTX4090 || 2x16 Gb Crucial Ballistix RGB 3200@3800 || XPG Core Reactor 850 Watt PSU || Kingston Fury 2 TB NVME SSD || WD SN850 1TB NVME || 1 x 500 GB Crucial MX300 SATA SSD || 2 x HDD 3TB || Thrustmaster F-16 & F-18 Stick on Virpil War BRD Bases || WinWing Orion2 F-16EX Viper Throttle Combo || WinWing Orion2 F/A-18 Hornet Throttle Combo (With Finger Lift) || WinWing Takeoff Panel II MFG Crosswind Pedals w. Damper || 3 x Thrustmaster Cougar MFD || Multipurpose UFC || Wheel Stand Pro II VR: HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripen 4-1 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Second Mission Task Force Challenger only in the 20's again. There is something really bugged with the VR Performance. Much better framerates in the stable Version! SYS: MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge Wifi || Ryzen 5900x || Gainward RTX4090 || 2x16 Gb Crucial Ballistix RGB 3200@3800 || XPG Core Reactor 850 Watt PSU || Kingston Fury 2 TB NVME SSD || WD SN850 1TB NVME || 1 x 500 GB Crucial MX300 SATA SSD || 2 x HDD 3TB || Thrustmaster F-16 & F-18 Stick on Virpil War BRD Bases || WinWing Orion2 F-16EX Viper Throttle Combo || WinWing Orion2 F/A-18 Hornet Throttle Combo (With Finger Lift) || WinWing Takeoff Panel II MFG Crosswind Pedals w. Damper || 3 x Thrustmaster Cougar MFD || Multipurpose UFC || Wheel Stand Pro II VR: HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I'd say today's patch somewhat helped with freezes, however FPS is still not nearly as good as in 2.5.x. I'd say still -30% in the ballpark. AMD R7 5800X3D | Aorus B550 Pro | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 4080 | VKB MGC Pro Gunfighter Mk III + Thustmaster TWCS + VKB T-Rudder Mk4 | HP Reverb G2 FC3 | A-10C II | Ка-50 | P-51 | UH-1 | Ми-8 | F-86F | МиГ-21 | FW-190 | МиГ-15 | Л-39 | Bf 109 | M-2000C | F-5 | Spitfire | AJS-37 | AV-8B | F/A-18C | Як-52 | F-14 | F-16 | Ми-24 | AH-64 NTTR | Normandy | Gulf | Syria | Supercarrier | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Yep, in certain scenarios, VR is unusable in 2.5.6 so far. I'm sure ED will sort it out soon. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryzor Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 With new update, the performance is the same (stuttering fest specially in caucasus using TV sensors or IR in A-10, K-50 and F-1. How is possible to have 20 or 30% performance lost and stuttering in loading terrain (causcauss specially). I don´t understand. In addition, rendering in one eye in VR continues, it distracts a lot (however, great lighting at night) I hope that stable version will recover the performance lost, at least, the same we had in 2.5.5. Now most missions are completely unplayable. Yes, clean version, deleted metashaders and fxo, top end PC specs, etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) nope... i was wrong, i used to get 45 FPS in 2.5.5 now i get 35-45 in 2.5.6 latest build no change Edited February 20, 2020 by speed-of-heat SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziptie Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) My performance was back to normal after today's patch / hot fix. Out MP server ran butter smooth for the entire time I was in there, which was knocking on the door of 6 hours. Server has been up for over 8 hours now and continues to perform excellent. Still the issue of clouds and objects on the edges of the peripheral VR display flickering, disappearing/reappearing but steps in the correct direction. Cheers, Don Edited February 21, 2020 by Ziptie EDIT: 6 i7 6700 @4ghz, 32GB HyperX Fury ddr4-2133 ram, GTX980, Oculus Rift CV1, 2x1TB SSD drives (one solely for DCS OpenBeta standalone) Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs Airframes: A10C, A10CII, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-16C, UH=1H, FC3. Modules: Combined Arms, Supercarrier. Terrains: Persian Gulf, Nevada NTTR, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cimarron Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 same huge FPS lose here with lastest OB patched yesterday 20/2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinK Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I'd say today's patch somewhat helped with freezes, however FPS is still not nearly as good as in 2.5.x. I'd say still -30% in the ballpark. Same here. Still almost unplayable. Framerates are horribly low under 2.5.6 (i7@5GHz, 32GB RAM, RTX2080ti) "Landing on the ship during the daytime is like sex, it's either good or it's great. Landing on the ship at night is like a trip to the dentist, you may get away with no pain, but you just don't feel comfortable" — LCDR Thomas Quinn, USN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 looking at the frame timings, when VRFPS works, the CPU is what is killing it, which used to be frame times of 10-12ms and under 2.5.6 is 18+, with regular red spikes (e.g. 22 plus), The GPU is also hit harder than it was under 2.5.5 similar but without the red spikes SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galf Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 F-18 instant action dogfight, used to get stable 40 now it's about 27 fps (Index set at 80hz, 150% steam Vr resolution, same settings before and after patch) coincides with everyone's reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlwxlw7969 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 same here. dropped from 40FPS to 10~20FPS. just becomes unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jools Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Similar loss here. From 40-45 down to 20 or even less on instant action F-18 8v8 On Samsung Odyssey + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokenji Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Hello, Same problem here on an i7 7700K + 32GB Ram + 1080 Ti 11 GB. I get no more than 13 FPS on the ground with an occulus rift S and setting the settings to the minimum does not change anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toutenglisse Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Similar loss here. From 40-45 down to 20 or even less on instant action F-18 8v8 On Samsung Odyssey + The F-18 8v8 instant action runs near flawlessly in VR (except some occasional stutters due to heavy static clouds), unitl I activate "wake turbulences". With it activated it roughly cut in half GPU usage and performances. (see picture) The same low usage/perf phenom. also appear if several FW190A8 are rendered in field of view (engines running). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippo Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 FWIW I am also suffering from worse performance in the latest OB 2.5.6. For my test I flew a mission where I did a straight in landing into Anapa from the south. A very simple mission, my F-18 is the only object in it. With 2.5.5 I am able to sustain 80 fps almost throughout, in 2.5.6 as can be clearly seen from the GPU % util, around halfway through the mission ASW kicks in and I am often at 40 fps. The GPU is experiencing around a 10% increase throughout. The CPU utilisation is harder to evaluate, but also appears higher. System spec: Intel i9 13900KF @ stock, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB GDDR6X, Gigabyte Z690 UD DDR4, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600MHz C18, Samsung 980 EVO 500 GB NVME M.2 SSD (system drive), Samsung 970 EVO 1 TB NVME M.2 SSD (games drive), Cooler Master ML360 Illusion CPU Cooler, Asus XG43UQ Monitor, Oculus Quest Pro, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 FWIW I am also suffering from worse performance in the latest OB 2.5.6. For my test I flew a mission where I did a straight in landing into Anapa from the south. A very simple mission, my F-18 is the only object in it. With 2.5.5 I am able to sustain 80 fps almost throughout, in 2.5.6 as can be clearly seen from the GPU % util, around halfway through the mission ASW kicks in and I am often at 40 fps. The GPU is experiencing around a 10% increase throughout. The CPU utilisation is harder to evaluate, but also appears higher. Have you tested on other maps? Caucasus seems to be worse for me in 2.5.6 than the Persian Gulf map...especially with any extra units. i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryzor Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Caucasus is the worst fps for me too, since 2.5.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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