Doc3908 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Hi guys, A newbie question: Assuming the labels are off, how do you find the bandits in the Mig-15? The more modern jets all have radar (even the rudimentary stuff in the Mig-19 and -21). But the Mig-15?? I set up an intercept mission that has 4 B-52s bombing my airfield and 4 F-86s protecting the B-52s. I more or less know the direction they are coming from and the altitude they should be at. Even then, I've flown the mission 4-5 times already and fly up and down the coast without spotting anyone. Of course, it's easy once the labels are on, but that's cheating. :) I fly VR, so there is no zoom available (actually there is, but it's horrible and useless). Any tips from the experienced Mig-15 drivers? Thanks, Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Add Ground Control Intercept units to the MiG side, they will act as a primitive AWACS and help you find the bandits. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
statrekmike Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 As has already been said above, you really will want to operate with ground control intercept stations. In DCS, they operate pretty much the same way that AWACS operate but they are on the ground as opposed to in the air. It helps to place a few where they might be most useful, set them to use frequencies the MiG-15 can actually dial in, and make sure you note the frequencies so you can refer to them when needed. The MiG-15 is a great example of a aircraft that really needs to be used in its proper context and by that, I mean that one should look at how it was used in real life and how it fit into the airpower ecosystem of its time. No aircraft operates in a vacuum so if you want the best experience possible, try to construct missions that take into account some of the support assets that a aircraft will work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Rudel's correct. GCI would direct you in in real life. That said, B-52s are big and smokey, you should be able to spot them from a fair distance, especially 2d, but even in VR. I mean... B-52s. Still, if you're literally just wandering up and down the coast relying on chance, jet aircraft can pass in and out of visual range in just a minute or two, easy to miss all things considered. A flight of bombers plus escorts would be pretty hard to miss so you're probably just never getting within visual range in the first place. That said, there's also a knack to spotting. Barring a glitchy LoD or suboptimal settings (I used to have really poor contrast, for example), anything within 10 miles is technically ''there to be seen'' at least as easily overlooked pixels. A lot of new guys have two common 'bad habits' #1 If they're accustomed to colored labels, they often miss stuff happening right around them. Seen that multiple times. Basically it's short term helpful, long term a crutch that builds a bad habit. #2 They're ''looking'' too hard. By that, I mean they're trying to focus too much, looking for specks. What you ACTUALLY do is look for movement or something ''out of place'' and for this you use more peripheral vision. Other aircraft will stand out more easily as ''motion'' across the more or less static background. If your attention is focused too narrowly on the exact spot you're looking at, it's easy to miss the little speck moving around two inches to the left until it passes you. Edited February 18, 2020 by zhukov032186 Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc3908 Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Very useful info - especially about GCI. Thank you very much, everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor_H Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 #1 If they're accustomed to colored labels, they often miss stuff happening right around them. Seen that multiple times. Basically it's short term helpful, long term a crutch that builds a bad habit. ^This, been there done that and it is very true that it's a bad habit that takes months if not years to get away from. Supercarrier | Flaming Cliffs 3 | M-2000C | AJS-37 Viggen| MIG-21Bis | L-39 Albatros | Yak-52 | Spitfire LF MK IX | Mig-15Bis | Mig-19P Farmer | P-51D Mustang | F/A-18 | F-14 | F-5E Tiger II | C-101 Aviojet | I-16 | UH-1H Huey | Mil MI-8tv2 | Sa 342M Gazelle | Combined Arms | NS-430 Navigation System | NEVADA | Persian Gulf | Normandy1944 | World war II assets pack | Black Shark 2 | F-5E Agressors ACM campaign |F-5E Agressors BFM Campaign | L-39 Albatros Kursant Campaign | DCS:Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anklebiter Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 :) I fly VR, so there is no zoom available (actually there is, but it's horrible and useless). Any tips from the experienced Mig-15 drivers? Thanks, Doc Awhile back they added a "super" level zoom for VR that is close to the 2d version. It's in the UI portion of controls. Makes a world of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc3908 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Awhile back they added a "super" level zoom for VR that is close to the 2d version. It's in the UI portion of controls. Makes a world of difference. Yeah, I know. I tried it, and it is (to me at least) very disorienting. I don't get vertigo from VR, but the VR zoom almost gives me vertigo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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