Talonx1 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 The point of a beta version is to try things while being able to roll back if required. What's makes it difficult now is that the roll back should have occurred weeks ago instead of pilling up things on top of this broken version. +1 This patch took broken things that needed rolled back and instead just broke more things. But HEY ppl can eject and walk around on carrier decks now. Too bad planes dont work on them any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charly314159 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I guess that's what you get when not listening to (or censoring) the beta testing community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midair Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Hi guys, I've got a big fps drop with the last patch, 20 fps at low altitude almost everywhere on the Caucasus map (didn't test it on PG). I was at 40 fps before the patch! I'm on VR with a very good rig and I hope their will be a patch soon to repair it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 17, 2020 Author ED Team Share Posted April 17, 2020 I guess that's what you get when not listening to (or censoring) the beta testing community I know you are angry, and you are posting a lot to let us know. We are listening and feeding back to management, any deleted post has broken our forum rules. If you want to discuss moderation, PM me it is not for public discussion as per our forum rules at the top of the page. Thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 17, 2020 Author ED Team Share Posted April 17, 2020 Hi guys, I've got a big fps drop with the last patch, 20 fps at low altitude almost everywhere on the Caucasus map (didn't test it on PG). I was at 40 fps before the patch! I'm on VR with a very good rig and I hope their will be a patch soon to repair it. Hi Midair, others are seeing the same so you are not alone can you let us know your system spec? thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danvac Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Literally the lamest and over used excuse. Stable is just as broken, its still on bigs from 5 months ago and everyone knows full well including ED that the majority of users play on OB including MP servers and that the title "beta" is nothing more than window dressing on what is the current proper build. According to provided data majority still uses stable version: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4287694&postcount=115 Maybe you should try to think more about if using open beta brings that much benefits as you think. Not to mention content that can be paid for but is only available on OB. You are talking about early access content... all those new content can be causing issues which are you complaining about. Try again. No excuse for completely breaking content with a patch thats supposed to improve the title not destroy it. And to my knowledge its super carrier issues that were "known" and going to take a while to fix. That doesnt mean they fully intended to break current carriers and it was going to be a while to fix them. They worked fine 2 days ago. This patch took broken things that needed rolled back and instead just broke more things. But HEY ppl can eject and walk around on carrier decks now. Too bad planes dont work on them any more. Other things are fixed in latest patch, but you care only about "your" features, you want to rollback to build which suits just your needs. The point of a beta version is to try things while being able to roll back if required. What's makes it difficult now is that the roll back should have occurred weeks ago instead of pilling up things on top of this broken version. ED's open beta is defined diffrently As such, the Open Beta version is for us to "field-test" new changes and check for any DCS-wide "Blocking" crashes, and the Release version is the result of the previous Open Beta that does not suffer any "Blocks." As with Early Access, Open Beta is an option and may not be for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charly314159 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Sorry yes I am a bit angry, since February there have been numerous post about the fact that this version was broken and unplayable for many all we got were "we're looking into it statements" and quite useless updates. Had ED taken this seriously from the beginning we wouldn't be in such a bad shape today. I know I shouldn't be that angry, it's just a game after all and there are more important matter nowadays, but it's how much I liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 17, 2020 Author ED Team Share Posted April 17, 2020 Sorry yes I am a bit angry, since February there have been numerous post about the fact that this version was broken and unplayable for many all we got were "we're looking into it statements" and quite useless updates. Had ED taken this seriously from the beginning we wouldn't be in such a bad shape today. I know I shouldn't be that angry, it's just a game after all and there are more important matter nowadays, but it's how much I liked it. Thanks, and I understand. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearskin Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just tried again on a online server and it is freezing for 2 to 3 seconds every 10 seconds, MSI graph showing, GPU temp. GPU usage, fan speed, in fact every graph apart from the memory clock has exaggerated saw tooth effect. Unfortunately this is now unplayable. Fingers well and truly crossed for a fix. Z790, 13700K, RTX4080, 32 gig RAM, Warthog, WarBRD base , Virpil Pedals, Pico 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueAngel Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Is this an error? "The natural function of the wing is to soar upwards and carry that which is heavy up to the place where dwells the race of gods. More than any other thing that pertains to the body it partakes of the nature of the divine." — Plato, Phaedrus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Is this an error? Nope, a small hotfix. Just install it. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Yes, this is where I'm noticing the problem. Free flight seems to scream along perfectly. The Viper free flight in PG certainly doesn't. Look at the CPU frame times there when flying over the airfield. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneDust Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Is this an error? Same here. Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | G2 Rverb VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavydriver Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Does anybody test these patches before you release them? disappointed but not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightstalker Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Can we all try to help the matter? I've noticed that missions are the main culprit for me. Free flight for me is screaming along like normal in 2.5.5. If I switch to a mission I then start to see wild fluctuations of frame rate. I suspect that many of the fan created missions from the forums may no longer work properly. One of the WWII escort missions I downloaded dropped me down to 12 frames per second. I'm not using VR and only playing SP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueAngel Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Nope, a small hotfix. Just install it. I see. What does it do, you know? "The natural function of the wing is to soar upwards and carry that which is heavy up to the place where dwells the race of gods. More than any other thing that pertains to the body it partakes of the nature of the divine." — Plato, Phaedrus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonx1 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I see. What does it do, you know? Possibly cleaned up Super carrier files that werent supposed to be included in the release and were causing some servers to crash or completely fail to load. Ppl have started testing to see if it solved that problem but havent seen results yet. I assume it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midair Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Hi, my system: I9 9900K @4.5ghz 32 g Ram DDR4 RTX 2080 SSD Rift S I test differents settings and when I put the cockpit shadows on flat only (it was set to low before) I was able to get a solid 40 fps with MSAA *4 (set at 2 usually) and Pixel density at 1.5 doing aerobatics at low level over Kutaisi with a JF-17, I never had a solid 40 fps at low level and high speed before so I was very happy but when I put back the shadows to low I was at 26 fps on the ground and lot of stuttering when airborne. After that I decide to set the MSAA*2 the shadow to flat only and PD at 1.4 thinking of the solid 40 fps I will have with a smile and guess what? I'm between 36 and 40 fps on the ground and between 30 and 40 fps in flight with a lot of stuttering (slideshow during roll). I really don't understand what is happening! PS: It's just a free flight mission with only 1 plane 5/10 clouds at 12000 ft. And I've cleared the fxo and metashaders 2 after the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanab Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I just try last 2.5.6 with VR. I loose 10 FPS between 2.5.5 and 2.5.6 (same option). Many stutter to report with F18c. My specs : Nvidia 1070ti, 32 go RAM, I5-8600K, SSD and RIFT S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Does anybody test these patches before you release them? disappointed but not surprised. Pretty sure they do, but here's the thing Heavydriver - the Open Beta IS the testing branch of DCS. Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 17, 2020 Author ED Team Share Posted April 17, 2020 Hi, my system: I9 9900K @4.5ghz 32 g Ram DDR4 RTX 2080 SSD Rift S I test differents settings and when I put the cockpit shadows on flat only (it was set to low before) I was able to get a solid 40 fps with MSAA *4 (set at 2 usually) and Pixel density at 1.5 doing aerobatics at low level over Kutaisi with a JF-17, I never had a solid 40 fps at low level and high speed before so I was very happy but when I put back the shadows to low I was at 26 fps on the ground and lot of stuttering when airborne. After that I decide to set the MSAA*2 the shadow to flat only and PD at 1.4 thinking of the solid 40 fps I will have with a smile and guess what? I'm between 36 and 40 fps on the ground and between 30 and 40 fps in flight with a lot of stuttering (slideshow during roll). I really don't understand what is happening! PS: It's just a free flight mission with only 1 plane 5/10 clouds at 12000 ft. And I've cleared the fxo and metashaders 2 after the update. I just try last 2.5.6 with VR. I loose 10 FPS between 2.5.5 and 2.5.6 (same option). Many stutter to report with F18c. My specs : Nvidia 1070ti, 32 go RAM, I5-8600K, SSD and RIFT S Thank you both for the specs and feedback. ------------------------------------------ Just a reminder this thread is for patch note discussion, try to stay on topic. Thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightstalker Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 If any of you haven't seen the Grim Reapers video of a recent interview with Nick Grey from ED, I suggest you give it a view or listen to it in the background. It opened my eyes to just how much work goes into creating content for DCS and as frustrating as early access seems to us it is an absolute necessity to the company. It certainly gave me a whole new view on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonx1 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Pretty sure they do, but here's the thing Heavydriver - the Open Beta IS the testing branch of DCS. 100% of testing isnt end user responsibility. A good degree of "testing" should still be done in house and theres no fault in any one who expects it. You dont pay a dev to just throw some numbers into the code then release it. It "should" be tested, double tested, confirmed by internal QA and then looked at again and confirmed suitable for release by a manager. The kinds of bugs that should be making it to beta are things that can vary based in hardware configurations amd operating systems where internal testing cannot possibly be expected to cover every possible outcome. Things like the fps issues are perfectly normal and expected beta branch issues. Breaking functional code is not appropriate beta branch product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang333333 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 The point of a beta version is to try things while being able to roll back if required. What's makes it difficult now is that the roll back should have occurred weeks ago instead of pilling up things on top of this broken version. +1. Except in my opinion a rollback should have been months ago...As I said months ago lol. Honestly it would be nice if ED could explain rollbacks. Not picking on anyone here, but I think we are all in new territory and doing things the old way is not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airhunter Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 If any of you haven't seen the Grim Reapers video of a recent interview with Nick Grey from ED, I suggest you give it a view or listen to it in the background. It opened my eyes to just how much work goes into creating content for DCS and as frustrating as early access seems to us it is an absolute necessity to the company. It certainly gave me a whole new view on things. Obviously he's the CEO and likes to suggar coat everything and make his company look good. Duuuhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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