[REPORTED]Ju88 and A20 ignore reaction to threat settings

[Reflected]

I set up a formation of A20s like I always set up B17s. They are supposed to fly straight and bomb their target no matter what (Reaction to threat= no reaction), yet, as soon as I attack, they scatter and drop their bombs. The same is true for the JU88.

 

As if "Reaction to threat" is ignored.

 

[philstyle]

Try reaction to threat = Passive defence.

[Reflected]

It doesn't help. Here's a quick test mission. The A20s will always turn and face the attack no matter what reaction to threat you set.

a20.miz

[westr]

I found a slight workaround for the A20s when doing something like an escort mission in the P-51.

I set ROE to weapon hold and they hold formation and don't scatter when attacked by German fighters. only problem is they don't fire back so are easy prey but it makes it a challenge as an escort fighter. another problem I found is this stopped them from dropping bombs at a point in the WW2 carpet bombing. So I set weapon free they then attack the target but its only the leader that drops and doesn't release the full bombload just one bomb despite telling them to drop all bombs. So I set an infantry soldier inside the target zone and when he is destroyed I damage the area and set loads of smoke and fire. Quite a nice effect. Once past this waypoint I then set ROE to Hold fire and then the Luftwaffe come swooping in and I have to defend the bombers.

[Reflected]

I found a slight workaround for the A20s when doing something like an escort mission in the P-51.

I set ROE to weapon hold and they hold formation and don't scatter when attacked by German fighters. only problem is they don't fire back so are easy prey but it makes it a challenge as an escort fighter. another problem I found is this stopped them from dropping bombs at a point in the WW2 carpet bombing. So I set weapon free they then attack the target but its only the leader that drops and doesn't release the full bombload just one bomb despite telling them to drop all bombs. So I set an infantry soldier inside the target zone and when he is destroyed I damage the area and set loads of smoke and fire. Quite a nice effect. Once past this waypoint I then set ROE to Hold fire and then the Luftwaffe come swooping in and I have to defend the bombers.

 

There is always a workaround for everything, but this is a long shot. I'd like to update my campaigns and they NEED to work properly.

 

Dear team, do you have any news on this one? I imagine it should be a quick fix? Thanks!

[tintifaxl]

Dear team, do you have any news on this one? I imagine it should be a quick fix? Thanks!

 

 

As far as I know: for the team to do anything, you'll need to provide a track. :smartass:

 

 

And thanks for integrating the new units to your campaigns!

Edited April 22, 2020 by tintifaxl
praise ;-)

[Reflected]

As far as I know: for the team to do anything, you'll need to provide a track. :smartass:

 

 

And thanks for integrating the new units to your campaigns!

 

I provided a quick mission, where the AI demonstrates what I mean in a matter of 20 seconds 10 times out of 10 :) I really want to release these campaign updates already because they make a big difference. :pilotfly:

[Reflected]

Just checked after the last update, they still behave like fighters. :(

[SUNTSAG]

I hope this will help in speeding up, getting your updated missions to your campaign player base.

 

[Reflected]

Sunstag, thanks for the video but the problem occurs when they are attacked by fighters. Instead of flying straight they start dogfighting.

 

See the mission I attached above.

 

Tomorrow I’ll check if it works if I push the task.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Reflected

[philstyle]

Sunstag, thanks for the video but the problem occurs when they are attacked by fighters. Instead of flying straight they start dogfighting.

See the mission I attached above.

Tomorrow I’ll check if it works if I push the task.

 

 

Hi reflected, pushing the task does not work for me, using your mission.

As soon as the fighters get within short range, the A20s will react like fighters themselves.

 

I've tried all the tricks I know, I cannot get them to react like level bombers. . .

[rogonaut]

can confirm +1

[Reflected]

Phil, I tried it too, pushing the task doesn' help. A20s will engage, no matter what.

 

JU88-s seem to work fine, though.

[Blech]

Hi,

 

I guess - WIP or a bug

 

The A20 act as fighter

 

US Ju88 - A20 - B17

 

 

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a20 edit.miz

[Reflected]

Any update on this one, please? Until the A20 behaves like a fighter, it cannot be used in missions properly.

[rogonaut]

yea would like to know too?

[MrExplosion]

Any update on this one, please? Until the A20 behaves like a fighter, it cannot be used in missions properly.

 

I would rather have it behave like a bomber, but apart from that:

+1

[Reflected]

I would rather have it behave like a bomber, but apart from that:

+1

 

Yes ,that's exaclty my point :)

[Rolds]

The best workaround I know of is to use an advanced way-point action>set option>restrict air to air attack>on

 

 

The result is that the turret gunner will still return fire but the pilot will not attempt to maneuver in response to a fighter threat making the A20 behave like the B17.

 

 

 

An idea this gives me is to use the above technique along with a triggered action where restrict A2A attack is turned off if any plane in the A20's formation is destroyed. In other words the surviving pilots say to hell with this, I want to live, and break up their formation.

[philstyle]

The best workaround I know of is to use an advanced way-point action>set option>restrict air to air attack>on

The result is that the turret gunner will still return fire but the pilot will not attempt to maneuver in response to a fighter threat making the A20 behave like the B17.

An idea this gives me is to use the above technique along with a triggered action where restrict A2A attack is turned off if any plane in the A20's formation is destroyed. In other words the surviving pilots say to hell with this, I want to live, and break up their formation.

 

 

Confirm. It woks. See this video.

 

 

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[Reflected]

Confirm. It woks. See this video.

 

 

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Negative. I just added that task to all A20s in one of my missions, they still started to dogfight. Not sure what other task it conflicts with, but I shouldn't need to figure it out. A20s should behave like bombers by default.

[Stonehouse]

Considering the tasking for A20s in real life late in the war as mostly low level tactical support they probably are setup as fighter bombers/attack aircraft rather than strategic bomber or whatever the B17 has in it's lua.

Past mods like the He111 etc specified an attribute of something like

attribute = {wsType_Air, wsType_Airplane, wsType_Intruder, WSTYPE_PLACEHOLDER , "Strategic bombers"},

 

to get them to behave like level bombers.

 

Note the above comment is an semi educated guess and not sure knowledge but what you describe sounds like the attributes of the A20 are telling the AI to act like a fighter bomber/attack aircraft from the games point of view

[philstyle]

Negative. I just added that task to all A20s in one of my missions, they still started to dogfight. Not sure what other task it conflicts with, but I shouldn't need to figure it out. A20s should behave like bombers by default.

 

 

Yeah, I went and ran the mission in multiplayer.. and the A20's went all fighter/ evasive and mental again.

 

This is so frustrating.

[Basco1]

Bump

 

Yes indeed,this needs addressing asap please ED.

[BIGNEWY]

This has been reported to the team

 

thank you