mvsgas Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 It appears that ED have decided to model a Spanish Hornet carrying Litening.... I think many of us can benefit from reading this: The Art of being Wrong: Fighter pilot post cast blog https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/news/the-art-of-being-wrong/ To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmidtfire Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) Repeating my previous question: How do we know that the pictures/video on the first page are from USMC Litening II Pod? USMC has used more advanced Litening ER and AT pod versions since 2003. It is possible that the comparison is faulty and that the USMC source are from more advanced versions of the Litening pod. Edited May 22, 2020 by Schmidtfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 22, 2020 ED Team Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) To me I see no reason one can't use the information gathered from video recordings and then ask SME's if its accurate and then adjust as needed as more information comes out over time. It doesn't need to be 100000% accurate just i'd like the features on the actual US lightning such as the tgt coordinates and the N arrow. And this would fit more with the goal of the hornet which was originally just USN but then ED added the TGP that the marine core used. Because there are many things you cant confirm with video recordings, I shouldn't have to point that out, but it should be backed up with actual documentation. As for SME's, and no offence to anyone, but many of the SME's ED deal with will 100% not commet on weapon systems except maybe in vague terms (unless a signed and agreed to contract was in place allowing the discussion of a specific system), and "SME' giving users detailed information on classified or protected systems, I would have to question quite a bit, and I also suggest being very careful, obviously we have seen users and devs get in trouble in the past pushing the limits. Repeating my previous question: How do we know that the pictures/video on the first page are from USMC Litening II Pod? USMC has used more advanced Litening ER and AT pod versions since 2003. It is possible that the comparison is faulty and that the USMC source are from more advanced versions of the Litening pod. Good question, I don't have an answer. Not sure if there is any telling evidence there. Edited May 22, 2020 by NineLine Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickos86 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 NineLine, there a video showing coordinates and a north indication in the Spanish flir. Why not just put this items? What's the big deal? It's there is RL... It will end up a super long discussion that last for months now... win-win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 NineLine, there a video showing coordinates and a north indication in the Spanish flir. Why not just put this items? What's the big deal? It's there is RL... It will end up a super long discussion that last for months now... win-win... at some point they'll just do it - juuuuust to shut everybody up (( anybody with a four-year-old will understand... )) i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 22, 2020 ED Team Share Posted May 22, 2020 NineLine, there a video showing coordinates and a north indication in the Spanish flir. Why not just put this items? What's the big deal? It's there is RL... It will end up a super long discussion that last for months now... win-win... What video? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 ?? maybe about 40mins in? i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) What video? So okay no COORDS? Check this video. Best Regards. Edited May 22, 2020 by Ramsay Add picture from Spanish EF-18M Litening II i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 22, 2020 ED Team Share Posted May 22, 2020 Thanks guys, will pass along. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rescue Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I just like to add that coords are essential. Can't share Target Infos right now. No DL , no coords. A-10 running into SAM's, poor hogs.:music_whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matti0503 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 tho that one with the coords might be a different software version since GRAY is also in a different position than the version they have the docs for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
med-taha Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 NineLine, there a video showing coordinates and a north indication in the Spanish flir. Compass Too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Compass Too North indication would be the compass afaik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoBlue Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 ED, just put the coordinates & North in, we need them. i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 ED, just put the coordinates & North in, we need them. what about the military grid reference coords? lat/long + MGRS ??? i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 North indication would be the compass afaik. or.. just look out the window! 8) i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shimmergloom667 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 what about the military grid reference coords? lat/long + MGRS ??? Weeeell, if they finally implemented MGRS entry and the associated DDI page and mark points we'd be good there, too, even w/o MGRS display in the TGP proper... i7 - 9700K | 32 GB DDR4 3200 | RTX 2080 | VKB Gunfighter Mk II /w MCG Pro | Virpil T-50CM2 Throttle | TrackIR 5 | VKB Mk. IV AJS-37 | A/V-8B | A-10C | F-14A/B | F-16C | F-18C | F-86F | FC3 | JF-17 | Ka-50 | L-39 | Mi-8 | MiG-15bis | MiG-19 | MiG-21bis | M2000-C | P-51D | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | UH-1H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 yepyep!! gotta make it happen eventually... i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) Now that I think about it, I wonder if the reason we have an Exports interface is because ED are under license to not export the workings of US hornets FLIRs But its weird since somehow a USAF interface of L2 for A10C is used, as well as for the F16C, and USMC interface of L2 for Harrier all have coordinates in their screen and not a generic export one? Why would ED be so persistent of using a Spanish Hornet L2 version ( even if thats documentation that they have) and not fill in the blanks on how the interface should work with USMC version to make our DCS hornet more akin to the version its supposed to be replicating? Based on what we have seen in videos even from around "mid 2000'S we have a good comparison to to show the differences. Of all things lacking We really auht to have those coordinates listed on the screen, becuase it seems even the spanish one can still display them as another user posted earlier , but simply in different part of the FLIR page https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4345352&postcount=133 Edited May 24, 2020 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmed Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 We've been there already with other systems such as the RWR (for which there were plenty of threads with lots of undeniable photo/video evidence of how it should work). And I'm afraid that unless public documentation exists, we'll have to get used to what we have now. This could possibly be due to ED wanting to stay well clear of any doubt of ITAR complicance and/or their military contracts. What I wonder is how the F-16's HTS is going to turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 We've been there already with other systems such as the RWR (for which there were plenty of threads with lots of undeniable photo/video evidence of how it should work). And I'm afraid that unless public documentation exists, we'll have to get used to what we have now. This could possibly be due to ED wanting to stay well clear of any doubt of ITAR complicance and/or their military contracts. What I wonder is how the F-16's HTS is going to turn up. How is the RWR supposed to work according your statement? Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 How is the RWR supposed to work according your statement?https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=249551 The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=249551 Oh that? Yeah, poor extrapolation is everywhere in the dcs hornet, almost every system suffers that. ED even acknowledge to be bugs, that thread was sent to the wish list but I'm pretty sure ED has their hands on it already. Maybe in a couple of years we'll see an improvement. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Oh that? Yeah, poor extrapolation is everywhere in the dcs hornet. ED even acknowledge to be bugs, that thread was sent to the wish list but I'm pretty sure ED has their hands on it already. Maybe in a couple of years we'll see an improvement.Oh, another thing is the wrong classification of threats in the threat bands. You can have an enemy MiG-29 at 5 NM in front of you and the RWR will place it on the outer "safe" band, unless it starts locking you with its radar. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Oh, another thing is the wrong classification of threats in the threat bands. You can have an enemy MiG-29 at 5 NM in front of you and the RWR will place it on the outer "safe" band, unless it starts locking you with its radar. Yeap, you're right. However, how sure are we about how it should work in that regard? Maybe signal intensity isn't something the RWR wants to show the pilot. Are we certain that IRL it is that way? We'll never know. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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