AndyJWest Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) A message that something has happened which might cause the game to stop working properly is not an indication that doing what caused the message is supported. Edited March 1, 2021 by AndyJWest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 hours ago, D4n said: You are aware that when unplugging any USB-controller device while in a DCS-mission makes the controller-name and an ID appear in the top right (with the "disconnect"-message), or didn't you know?? That indication clearly is a sign that DCS supports hotplugging... Except you even stated that your controller is not supported!!!! you've just gone full circle again! On 5/23/2020 at 3:25 PM, D4n said: Because trim doesn't work while it's plugged in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AndyJWest said: A message that something has happened which might cause the game to stop working properly source for that it "may cause the game to stop working properly", please. 9 minutes ago, Dagger71 said: Except you even stated that your controller is not supported!!!! you've just gone full circle again! big big misunderstanding, dear Dagger... ofc. my controller ("USB-gamepad") is supported, but why the f... would I fly (or trim) a DCS aircraft with a gamepad, when I have my Thrustmaster T.16000 + TWS ??? Edited March 1, 2021 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, D4n said: source for that it "may cause the game to stop working properly", please. big big misunderstanding, dear Dagger... ofc. my controller ("USB-gamepad") is supported, but why the f... would I fly (or trim) a DCS aircraft with a gamepad, when I have my Thrustmaster T.16000 + TWS ??? I have NO idea why you would try to fly with a gamepad plugged in when you have you TM T1600. We've all been asking from the beginning. What name and ID shows up when you do plug in your controller???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJWest Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) Source? This thread. You are having problems because Windows controller software is flawed. ED can't do anything about it. Go complain to Microsoft. @Dagger71Personally, I fly with a gamepad plugged in. Partly because I sometimes use it as a cheap 'button box' in DCS (and other flight sims), and partly because I also play games that work best with a controller. I keep it plugged in because the flawed Windows controller API gets flaky when you plug in and unplug controllers. Doing it that way, no issues. Or at least, no more issued than as usual with Windows USB stuff. Edited March 1, 2021 by AndyJWest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Dagger71 said: I have NO idea why you would try to fly with a gamepad plugged in when you have you TM T1600. We've all been asking from the beginning. omg Dagger... I would fly with a gamepad plugged in because I very regularly also play another game that I NEED a gamepad for!!!!! (Rocket League, a game that also helps at understanding thrust-vectoring in relation to gravity, for example ) Quote What name and ID shows up when you do plug in your controller???? will tell you in a few days when I am home again, but it may be "USB gamepad"-something and ID {745a17a0-74d3-11d0-b6fe-00a0c90f57da} 37 minutes ago, AndyJWest said: You are having problems because Windows controller software is flawed. ED can't do anything about it. How would you know whether ED can do anything about it or not??? @AndyJWest Edited March 1, 2021 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, D4n said: omg Dagger... I would fly with a gamepad plugged in because I very regularly also play another game that I NEED a gamepad for!!!!! (Rocket League, a game that also helps at understanding thrust-vectoring in relation to gravity, for example ) will tell you in a few days when I am home again, but it may be "USB gamepad"-something and ID {745a17a0-74d3-11d0-b6fe-00a0c90f57da} How would you know whether ED can do anything about it or not??? @AndyJWest Why not just unplug it before launching DCS? Besides even you stated that the gamepad does not work properly in DCS. DCS cannot support a controller if the manufacturer doesn't even provide drivers. Edited March 1, 2021 by Dagger71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Dagger71 said: Why not just unplug it before launching DCS? Because I don't play Rocket League everytime just before playing DCS maybe? And I'm definitely not going to check if it's plugged out everytime I launch DCS... Who do you think I am, and we're living in 2021, not 1995 (I launch DCS sometimes at least 6x or so within 15 hours, would be my wild guess...) Edited March 1, 2021 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, D4n said: Because I don't play Rocket League everytime just before playing DCS maybe? And I'm definitely not going to check if it's plugged out everytime I launch DCS... Who do you think I am, and we're living in 2021, not 1995 (I launch DCS sometimes at least 6x or so within 15 hours, would be my wild guess...) I always unplug my unsupported controllers before starting DCS. You should too! Edited March 1, 2021 by Dagger71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJWest Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) TLDR thread summary: When I do 'thing', it breaks stuff... Stop doing 'thing' then. But I want to do 'thing'! Then you'll have to put up with 'thing' breaking stuff. Edited March 1, 2021 by AndyJWest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) On 3/1/2021 at 5:54 PM, Dagger71 said: I always unplug my unsupported controllers before starting DCS. You should too! Is it possible to write a batch script file that opens a .txt file that says "D4n, unplug your USB gamepad (or disable it in device-manager) now! " while the script launches DCS_updater, or a batch file that opens a .txt. as soon as I start DCS_updater? that would be the "cheapest" solution in this case, I think Solution: https://streamable.com/u2009k On 3/1/2021 at 8:47 PM, AndyJWest said: When I do 'thing', it breaks stuff... Stop doing 'thing' then. But I want to do 'thing'! Then you'll have to put up with 'thing' breaking stuff. or my just invented above mentioned solution will stop me from doing "thing" (or rather from forgetting to unplug thing) Edited April 17, 2021 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, D4n said: Is it possible to write a batch script file that opens a .txt file that says "D4n, unplug your USB gamepad (or disable it in device-manager) now! " while the script launches DCS_updater, or a batch file that opens a .txt. as soon as I start DCS_updater? that would be the "cheapest" solution in this case, I think Put a post-it on your monitor that says "check plugged-in devices before starting DCS" or similar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJWest Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Yup. A nicely-printed 'DCS Startup Sequence' placard would solve D4n's problem. And wouldn't be a bad idea for me either, given how often I've forgotten to start TrackIR before running DCS. Though I've sort of solved that by arranging the relevant icons on my desktop in order, making it less easy to forget something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, razo+r said: Put a post-it on your monitor that says "check plugged-in devices before starting DCS" or similar... What, no, post it is from the 90s... Batch files is what we're at since the 2000s but I just realized that my logic is flawed and that I only fly spitfire/Mi-8 quite rarely... So the best solution could probably be replacing the DCS multiplayer-server loading-screen by a picture that has a sentence like "Hey.. did you just join Storm Of War - Normandy server, or do you plan to fly Mi-8 now? Unplug or disable that s**t now before you select the slot, dude!" in the center bottom or so. Anyone know if we can change the background image of the DCS multiplayer-loading-screen? The risk is that everytime OpenBeta patch releases, it could overwrite my custom image... Edited March 1, 2021 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 That "90's" tech would not get replaced everytime DCS gets updated and you can see the things you need to do before even starting DCS, thus making it far more appropriate for your desire. Just do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 6, 2021 Author Share Posted March 6, 2021 Got it working https://streamable.com/u2009k DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 6, 2021 Author Share Posted March 6, 2021 Yesss it just proved useful for the 1st time DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) There ya go! Took you 3 pages but at least you figured it out, you did it!! Now you can go on Rocket League forums and post in bug section that your controller does not work when its not plugged in! Edited March 10, 2021 by Dagger71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Dagger71 said: at least you figured it out Well it's a workaround only but it spares ED from spending time on a software-solution DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, D4n said: Well it's a workaround only but it spares ED from spending time on a software-solution You and the entire DCS player base can rest assured that ED did not spend a single millisecond trying to support a controller that only uses a generic USB driver, and more importantly, one that you don't even use in game! Edited March 11, 2021 by Dagger71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) Quote one that you don't even use in game! ME not, YES, but possibly many others DO use it ingame! It's fully capable to work with DCS (afaik) ! @ED: We would still very much appreciate such fix, quite frustrating having to close such a "plug it out because ED doesn't fix it" window everytime. Edited April 25, 2021 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) You flagged this thread as solved. There is nothing ED can do to help you remove your unused gamepad before you launch DCS. What happened to your reminder script? Edited April 25, 2021 by Dagger71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Dagger71 said: nothing ED can do to help you remove your unused gamepad before you launch DCS. What happened to your reminder script? There is, ED could either fix the trimming to work with such type of gamepads, or they could make DCS fully ignore that type of gamepad. Script is working but as mentioned above, "quite frustrating having to close such a "plug it out because ED doesn't fix it" window everytime." DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger71 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) This is a windows and gamepad driver issue. ED cannot possibly fix this as your gamepad is using a windows generic gamepad. Been through this so many times already. just unplug any usb controller you dont want to use with DCS. In fact This is true for any sim!!! Edited April 25, 2021 by Dagger71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dagger71 said: ED cannot possibly fix this Are you a programmer, have you ever worked on USB-drivers? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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