Who is reasonable opponent to Mig-19

[wizav]

I love Mig-19, have been studying it a bit.. don't know which allied crafts to use against him..

 

It seems that Mig-19 doesn't have same tier opponent atm...

[Northstar98]

Weird one, personally I'd say the F-5E-3 is probably the closest match

[BuzzU]

P-51 :D

[Kang]

From the other side I can only tell you that the MiG-19 is my favourite thing to fight against when flying the F-86.

[RampantCoyote]

Yeah, in terms of increasing capability, it's MiG-19 -> F-5E -> MiG-21, IMO. Otherwise, you've got the Korean War era F-86 and MiG-15.

 

It was really designed to go up against the U.S. "Century Fighters" of the late 50s / early 60s, and it beat them to the punch for being the first true supersonic fighter to go into full production. SOME DAY SOON I hope we'll have some of those fighters in DCS ... I especially want the Super Sabre and the Thud. But yeah, right now, it's kind of in its own class.

[Exorcet]

I would want to say the F-5, but the MiG completely outperforms it. This shouldn't make the fight impossible to win but the AI is all seeing and can read your airspeed, so the fight ends up being kind of frustrating.

 

 

In real life the MiG-19 ended up facing opponents it was at a disadvantage to, like the F-4 because it was in service for a while. So you might use it a bit of low threat aircraft in missions you make. Chinese versions of the plane were in production at the same time as the F-14 and F-15 and are in use by North Korea.

[Shadow KT]

realism

[RedeyeStorm]

It flew against the F4 Phantom (AI only) in Vietnam so that would work. The Mig21 We have is a newer generation then those in use in Vietnam.

[Paganus]

Another will be the F-8, eventually.

 

Community A-4.

 

They are really interceptors. A few escorted B-52's.

Edited May 25, 2020 by Paganus
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[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

And the EE Lightning, when RAZBAM eventually makes it...

[enigma6584]

If you're making missions and wanting aircraft to fly against you while you're flying the Mig-19P, use F-5s with Aim-9 with rear aspect only. F-4E with Vietnam era missiles, again Aim-9 rear aspects only, Mirage-2000C is another good opponent. If you're flying against Mirage-2000C, let's say a four ship, bring more AI buddies like 8 wing-men etc. The higher the quality of the Western aircraft you fly against, the larger the quantity of AI wing-men you want to bring in order to make it an even fight. :thumbup:

[Harlikwin]

Historically, look at the indo-pak wars. They fought f86s and could have fought mig21s as well. Intersting wars few folks in the west know about.

[enigma6584]

Historically, look at the indo-pak wars. They fought f86s and could have fought mig21s as well. Intersting wars few folks in the west know about.

 

Yep, very interesting reads. The other day there was also a new episode from the Fighter Pilot Podcast where they were interviewing an Indian pilot who flew the Mig-21. Very neat interview. You should listen if you got the time.

[shomke]

A Super Mystere would be perfect opponent for the Mig 19 I think. But I am afraid I’ll never get it in dcs… 

Edited September 3, 2021 by shomke

[Dragon1-1]

The F-100 would be a really close match, but it's not likely except by a 3rd party. Fun fact: we've got at least one Vietnam-era Hun driver on the forum.  

Edited September 3, 2021 by Dragon1-1

[Mikeck]

Unfortunately, the answer to “reasonable opponent” for the Mig-19 is the same as it is for the Mig-21….and the upcoming Mig-17: the f-5. And that is a travesty. Ultra modern aircraft like the JF-17 and Eurofighter Typhoon are aircraft to be sure. But as they are 21st century airframes with modern equipment, not only are much of the capabilities of the equipment classified, but the performance of the frame as well. 
 

why- instead- can we not get completely accurate models of incredibly interesting and capable blue for combat fighter aircraft of the 2nd/3rd generation to match up again the mig 17, 19 and 21? The F-8 crusader, F-100 SuperSaber, Super Mystere, Mirage III and the F-4 Phantom would all be great.

 

instead, I’m flying a (quite well done) mod of an A-4 if I want to fly a bluefor fighter in a 1955-75 time frame since I always feel like I’m flying a training aircraft in the F-5

 

 

[Hammer1-1]

There is an F-4 coming. Itll probably be done in about 10 years if the Apache is any indication of how long itll take.

[Mikeck]

Yeah….the F-4 is in a dream stage. We WILL be getting the A-7 here shortly; hardly a fighter but at least a solid gen-3 aircraft for cold war servers.

 

would love the F-8. High performance, carrier capable and a very competent fighter. Perfect for a 1959-1969 era scenario and a contemporary of both the mig-17 and mig-19 (although the former not in frontline Soviet Serb is at that point). Also, single seat. I like the F-14 but it’s just not the same as doing it all yourself.

 

frankly, I don’t care which one. I just want a gen2-3 bluefor fighter besides the F-5; the fighter equivalent of the Chrysler “K” car

Edited September 4, 2021 by Mikeck

[TLTeo]

The G-91 also qualifies, although of course it's role and performance are quite different. In fact, because of that role (a2g vs our interceptor Farmer), it's probably the best match in DCS until the F8 and F100 come out.

Edited September 4, 2021 by TLTeo

[silverdevil]

On 9/4/2021 at 12:45 AM, Mikeck said:

frankly, I don’t care which one. I just want a gen2-3 bluefor fighter besides the F-5; the fighter equivalent of the Chrysler “K” car

haha thanks. this made me laugh. did you know the first cell phone call was done from a K car? a premium convertible.

 

seriously though. the F8 would be sweet. fits the bill and doesn't need an idiot AI copilot. unfortunately nothing in DCS fits the bill.

[archer86]

At real life sure it is F-100D but in dcs, I guiess it is f-5e.

Edited September 5, 2021 by archer86

[r4y30n]

 seriously though. the F8 would be sweet. fits the bill and doesn't need an idiot AI copilot. unfortunately nothing in DCS fits the bill.

Magnitude 3 is doing an F-8J after their F4U.

[nighthawk2174]

If you wanted the best match irl it'd probably be the F100.  They both seem to be very similar in performance.  In game there's not really anything close.

[m4ti140]

On 5/24/2020 at 12:05 PM, wizav said:

I love Mig-19, have been studying it a bit.. don't know which allied crafts to use against him..

 

It seems that Mig-19 doesn't have same tier opponent atm...

The correct, contemporary opponent for MiG-19 would be the F-100. Unfortunately we don't have it at the time, but it seems to do pretty well against F-5s.

[Mikeck]

I realize the mig 19 and mig 21 are both “red air”, but I find that they are a good match for eachother: the mig 21 having the thrust, climb and speed advantage but the 19 having the advantage in a turning engagement. 
 

and in fact, the two have been adversaries in a sense. The Pakistanis used the F-6 Chinese variant of the mig -19 in the 1974 war while the Indians used the mig-21. Can’t advise if they ever went head to head but at least it’s an example.