F-15E UFC poll

[Fri13]

It still does nothing with mission playability. There aren’t any new features added with it. It’s NVG compatible...that’s all. The old ones were as well, with an additional filter. Pre 2001, no nods, so it’s completely irrelevant. It ‘breaks’ nothing.

 

If you need to say so to justify a wrong model for older missions...

[Fri13]

And i really wish they had worded the question difference.

Outlining the differences as a whole

(Or lack of differences in this case).[/Quote]

 

That is right.

 

The poll should explain the timeframe the aircraft is operational, so where it fits.

 

Red MFD for 1989-2010+

Green MFD for 2010+

 

Same capability, but different look. And someways red is clearer.

 

So when we ignore the timeframe for missions (and yes, it is like taking a tomcat to WW2, whole not so serious) then the red MFD would had unique look on it.

 

I would like to see a red being the default and early access, but offer the green one later on when module gets out of early access. As if it's functionality is same, then it is more of a texture artist and 3D modeler task to simply convert a new variant in from UFC in special options. And it doesn't even need to be a own variant in mission editor...

[aidahraida]

Analog version.

Most likely wont buy a version with just the digital UFC.

 

 

And i really wish they had worded the question difference.

Outlining the differences as a whole

(Or lack of differences in this case).

 

 

Since a F-15E With the old display will still have all the same weapons and capabilities. (As they have never specified otherwise of the exact planned timeframe)

But it will also be suited for many more Scenarios (1989-2014)

So from the last years of the cold war to Gulf War,Balkans,Iraqi Freedom,Afghanistan etc.

 

 

Where as the Digital version is 2010 and later so it can only accurately simulate post 2010 scenarios.

 

(Unless simulating a Export F-15 as Export Strike eagles got the Digital UFC much earlier)

 

 

 

Additionally if you want to be really realistic this could also mean an aircraft with less capability not more.

 

As there are weapons and systems that are no longer used post 2010 that were used in the 1989-2010 timeframe.

 

Only upside for me with the NEW display is if they want to simulate a export F-15E.

 

 

But for a US F-15E i very much prefer the original UFC and probably wont buy one limited to the new one.

 

Hi, I see your point, we probably could, would, really should end up with both (down the track, after early access and beta).

:)

[stormrider]

I guess in the end it boils down to:

71.49% of voters aren't old enough to have played Janes F-15E

28.51% have played Janes F-15E

 

:D

 

 

Edited June 3, 2020 by stormridersp

[Dudikoff]

Well..

 

[Ramsay]

Same capability, but different look. And someways red is clearer.

I assume the red LED version isn't night vision compatible but it's only a guess ?

[Rainmaker]

If you need to say so to justify a wrong model for older missions...

 

I can name at least 5 other things without trying that will be incorrect without a whole redesign of the cockpit and a number of systems...but you guys key off on the one thing you can actually see that’s visually different. I guess I could pretty much cause your whole world to come to an end if I listed off the others.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Rainmaker

[mattebubben]

And the Analog version might actually still be in use.

As even pretty recent videos like this one.

show both UFC Variants.

So the Analog variant could be viable for even current day scenarios.

 

And its also further example that just because it has the Analog UFC that does not say anything in terms of capability and weapon options etc.

 

Optimally they would add both (Either at launch or down the line)

With the Analog being the standard (as its the Original) and then simply adding a Special menu option for the Digital UFC for those that want it.

 

But if we have to pick just one i will 100% go with the Analog version as i have pretty much no interest in Post 2010 scenarios

 

which is what the F-15E with the Digital UFC will be limited to.

Edited June 3, 2020 by mattebubben

[PerfectionMan]

The modern version please!

[notproplayer3]

Is the modern UFC f15 and old UFC f15 still exactly the same plane, what I mean by that is did the USAF only upgrade the UFC or put in other small changes with it ?

[bies]

Which year F-15E received this new digital display in real live?

[notproplayer3]

Which year F-15E received this new digital display in real live?

 

About 2010

[bies]

About 2010

 

Does it mean RAZBAM is allowed to model F-15E from 2010?

Many F-15E received AESA in 2010, probably together with other electronics like this display.

It's even more modern than our F-16C b50 and F/A-18C L20.

 

Initially iirc RAZBAM was allowed to model 1990s standard F-15E.

 

The worst case scenario would be fancy digital display from 2010 in legacy 1990s F-15E with classic radar and electronics unrealistic mismatch.

 

I hope they know what they are doing, but i would prefer classic diplay suitable for different scenarios.

I mean modern F-15E is a bit boring, it's all about GPS/INS stand off cruise missiles JDAMS, you don't even see the target you hit.

Edited June 3, 2020 by bies

[notproplayer3]

Does it mean RAZBAM is allowed to model F-15E from 2010?

Many F-15E received AESA in 2010, probably together with other electronics like this display.

It's even more modern than our F-16C b50 and F/A-18C L20.

 

Initially iirc RAZBAM was allowed to model 1990s standard F-15E.

 

The worst case scenario would be fancy digital display from 2010 in legacy 1990s F-15E with classic radar and electronics unrealistic mismatch.

 

Yes that's why I asked the question just before yours concerning the plane's version, was the digital UFC a single upgrade the analog UFC f15 received at one time or was it included in a bigger package with, like you said, AESA radars, etc... ? I guess that would be important to know.

 

Ohh and btw wasn't the f15e's role always dropping gps/ins stand off weapons ? Since it was launched did the f15e engage in any close air support role where the plane actually saw the target (like the a10c) ? I'm not that sure, it always was quite an advanced plane.

Edited June 3, 2020 by notproplayer3

[Rainmaker]

Does it mean RAZBAM is allowed to model F-15E from 2010?

Many F-15E received AESA in 2010, probably together with other electronics like this display.

It's even more modern than our F-16C b50 and F/A-18C L20.

 

Initially iirc RAZBAM was allowed to model 1990s standard F-15E.

 

The worst case scenario would be fancy digital display from 2010 in legacy 1990s F-15E with classic radar and electronics unrealistic mismatch.

 

I hope they know what they are doing, but i would prefer classic diplay suitable for different scenarios.

I mean modern F-15E is a bit boring, it's all about GPS/INS stand off cruise missiles JDAMS, you don't even see the target you hit.

 

“Received AESA”. Yeah they didn’t. Not sure where you got that info from.

[bies]

“Received AESA”. Yeah they didn’t. Not sure where you got that info from.

 

Upgrade programs and replacement

 

The F-15E was to be upgraded with the Raytheon APG-82 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar after 2007, and the first test radar was delivered to Boeing in 2010.[22] It combines the processor of the APG-79 used on the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet with the antenna of the APG-63(V)3 AESA being fitted on the F-15C;[23] it was named APG-63(V)4 until it received the APG-82 designation in 2009.[24] The new radar is to be part of the F-15E Radar Modernization Program,[25] which also includes a wideband radome (enabling operation on more radar frequencies) and environment control and electronic warfare improvements.[26]

 

[22] Frost, Patricia. "Boeing Receives 1st F-15E Radar Modernization Program Test Asset from Raytheon." Boeing. Retrieved: 27 February 2012.

[23] Trimble, Stephen. "Raytheon claims AESA upgrade contract for F-15E." Flightglobal.com, 1 November 2007.

[24] Trimble, Stephen. "Raytheon trumps Northrop with new AESA designation." Flight Daily News, 17 June 2009.

[25] Frost, Patricia. "Boeing Selects Raytheon to Provide AESA Radar for U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles." Archived 6 July 2009 at the Wayback Machine Boeing, 1 November 2007.

[26] "F-15E, B-1B Modernization and Upgrades." Defense Update, 23 July 2012.

 

That's what wiki says.

[Rainmaker]

That's what wiki says.

 

That’s not what it says...at all.

[deverhart125]

Digital

[Heimz]

Voted for digital, I think the it's easier to read at a glance versus the analog. But I would enjoy both, and will enjoy any one you choose.

[mashed_penguin]

New version.

[Barrett_g]

Nothing like reading paragraph after paragraph of logical reasons on why the older UFC makes sense.... followed by 6 or 7 “digital” posts! Lol!

[defeatist99]

modern

[Photon]

The more and bigger screens the better

[FoxOne007]

Does it mean RAZBAM is allowed to model F-15E from 2010?

Many F-15E received AESA in 2010, probably together with other electronics like this display.

It's even more modern than our F-16C b50 and F/A-18C L20.

 

Initially iirc RAZBAM was allowed to model 1990s standard F-15E.

 

The worst case scenario would be fancy digital display from 2010 in legacy 1990s F-15E with classic radar and electronics unrealistic mismatch.

 

I hope they know what they are doing, but i would prefer classic diplay suitable for different scenarios.

I mean modern F-15E is a bit boring, it's all about GPS/INS stand off cruise missiles JDAMS, you don't even see the target you hit.

 

As they said we're getting a Suite 4 or newer SE, which would mean it is at least a 2002/3 SE but potentially newer. It was never said they were allowed to model a 1990's version, not sure where you are getting your info from...

[Kev2go]

Does it mean RAZBAM is allowed to model F-15E from 2010?

Many F-15E received AESA in 2010, probably together with other electronics like this display.

It's even more modern than our F-16C b50 and F/A-18C L20.

 

Initially iirc RAZBAM was allowed to model 1990s standard F-15E.

 

The worst case scenario would be fancy digital display from 2010 in legacy 1990s F-15E with classic radar and electronics unrealistic mismatch.

 

I hope they know what they are doing, but i would prefer classic diplay suitable for different scenarios.

I mean modern F-15E is a bit boring, it's all about GPS/INS stand off cruise missiles JDAMS, you don't even see the target you hit.

 

many?

 

ONly in 2011 was low rate intitial production approved and at that time it was still going through evaluation. . By 2014 only 6 APG82's had been delivered.

 

By 2016 a production batch of 28 radars was approved. l 2017 that was the first year AESA strike eagles took part in thier first red flag exercise. The final deliveries of those 28 radars didnt complete until 2019.

 

SO the majority of Strike eagles were and are are still using APG70, since according to the USAF official website their total Fleet of F15E's are 219.

 

 

SO a a new UFC doesn't mean AESA.

 

http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2170

 

 

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/f-15es-apg-82-aesa-radars-deploy-red-flag-alaska-first-time/

 

https://www.militaryaerospace.com/computers/article/16714836/boeing-wins-halfbilliondollar-order-to-upgrade-radar-on-air-force-f15cd-and-f15e-combat-jets

Edited June 3, 2020 by Kev2go