Noluck Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 As a fairly new user of DCS I thought I would share some of my quest to find a Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS (WH). I have only an AV8R stick, and a set of TM F-16 FLCS sticks and a old throttle. Since those older sticks and throttles use the no longer available 'joystick' 15 pin port I had to find an option. Not to mention, I have about 25+ years as a fight simulation engineer building simulators for the US military, the last project was 8 F/A-18C's. I got to use the 'real' throttles, stick and all the other cockpit goodies. I HAD to have at least a WH to fly with. If I had the $ for the WINWING setup it would be a no brainier. So, I started the usual internet search for a WH. Well, after a whole day looking at any avialbe WH's... and to state it bluntly... if you want a Warthog these days you are going to either have to buy one off of inflated eBay sellers, a really inflated price for overseas sellers (shipping cost!) or place an order on Amazon that is out-of-stock and wait. Buying a separate throttle, stick+base is out of the question, to many $ also. Thrustmaster needs to change their marketing strategy, mainly to price single throttles, sticks and bases so purchasing them is at least close to the packaged WH throttle and stick package and not over-inflated pricing, if we choose to purchase them as individual products. Myself, I wanted just the throttle and then have the choice of either the A-10 stick OR the F/A-18 stick. I know the F/A-18 stick is a little more, so price the package as needed. Here are the numbers that I found, of course this can change day to day. Priced low to high. I wish luck to any one out there trying to find a WH for a decent price!.Attached is a spreadsheet I put my data in while doing the WH quest, I hope it may help some newer members like myself. WH Throttle + Stick: o Amazon TM Store: $371.22 + $77.22 shipping = $448.44 | shipped from UK | status OUT-OF-STOCK o eBay bid: $600 + $34.81 shipping = $624.18 (!!!) | shipped from US | eBay private auction o eBay seller: $597.15 + $118.14 shipping = $715.57 (!!!) | shipped from AU | buy it now WH Throttle Only: o Amazon TM Store: no information | out-of-stock o eBay seller: $367.49 + $65.95 shipping = $433.44 | shipped from Poland | buy it now o eBay seller: $527.49 + $18.04 shipping = $545.44 (!!!) | shipped from? | buy it now WH Stick (A-10) and Base Only: o Newegg: $269.99 + free ship = $269.99 | o Amazon TM Store: $239.65 + $39.79 shipping = $279.44 | shipped from UK | In-Stock o Amazon other seller: $369.73 + free shipping = $369.73 | shipped from ? | WH Stick Base Only: o Amazon TM Store: $149.99 + free ship = $149.99 | o eBay seller: $171.23 + $17.99 ship = $189.22 | shipped from CA | buy it now (10 available) Sticks Only: F/A-18 Stick : Amazon TM Store | $229.99 + free ship = $229.99 | shipped from ? | In-Stock F-16 Stick : Amazon TM Store | $199.99 + free ship = 199.99 | shipped from ? | In-stock A-10 Stick : could not find one, didn't care... So buying separate throttle and stick/base at current pricing would equate to: Throttle: $433.44 + Stick + Base: $149.99 Total: $583.43 I'm still looking, will update if/when I find a WH setup for a decent price. Again, I hope this helps fellow folks in search of a WH, good luck and keep the blue side up. Cheers ---Thrustmaster-HOTAS-Cost-Matrix_200528.pdf PC: Windows 10 Pro X64, AMD FX8120 8 Core @ ~4.0GHz, 32GB DDR3-1600, GTX 1080 8Gb, 1 TB EVO 860 SSD | Displays: 3 Dell HD 1920x1080 @ 5520x1080 windowed ||| Hardware : TM Warthog HOTAS Stick+Throttle | 3x TM Cougar MFD's | WW Combat Panel | WW Landing Panel ||| Mods: F/A-18C | F-16 | P51-D | UH-1H | C130-J | NTTR | Persian Gulf | Syria | Channel | Normandy | WWII Assets | Super Carrier | Combined Arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob1943 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Warthog%20Hotas&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&ap=Y&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsJb31M3z6QIVDT2tBh2NHQ2bEAAYASAAEgI2fPD_BwE Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Dual Throttles B&H # THUSAFLT MFR # 2960739 3 Reviews Key Features Replica U.S Air Force AC-10C Throttles Built-In Replica Control Panel Programmable Controls Compatible with All Joysticks More Details $329.99 Add to Cart Add to Wish List Special Order Expected availability: 7-10 business days Free Standard Shipping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcrist Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I ordered mine direct from the T M website last week. Turned up yesterday, throttle and stick combo for £399 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 So buying separate throttle and stick/base at current pricing would equate to: Throttle: $433.44 + Stick + Base: $149.99 Total: $583.43 I'm still looking, will update if/when I find a WH setup for a decent price. Again, I hope this helps fellow folks in search of a WH, good luck and keep the blue side up. Cheers --- The throttle price is way too expensive. I bought my second one for $279.99 last year and that was at a regular price at that time. If you wait til Aug for the next batch the price should be much cheaper. The stick and base is a good deal. The F-16 and A-10c grips from TM are virtually the same. At that price, I would pay a bit more and get Winwing’s throttle instead. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Just wait until TM has the HOTAS back in stock. Then it will be easy to find the whole HOTAS for $450 with free shipping. I wouldn't pay more than that. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noluck Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) I ordered mine direct from the T M website last week. Turned up yesterday, throttle and stick combo for £399 What TM website? I've been to it when I first posted, I also used the Amazon TM Store. OOS for the stick and throttle combo. --- Edited June 11, 2020 by Noluck PC: Windows 10 Pro X64, AMD FX8120 8 Core @ ~4.0GHz, 32GB DDR3-1600, GTX 1080 8Gb, 1 TB EVO 860 SSD | Displays: 3 Dell HD 1920x1080 @ 5520x1080 windowed ||| Hardware : TM Warthog HOTAS Stick+Throttle | 3x TM Cougar MFD's | WW Combat Panel | WW Landing Panel ||| Mods: F/A-18C | F-16 | P51-D | UH-1H | C130-J | NTTR | Persian Gulf | Syria | Channel | Normandy | WWII Assets | Super Carrier | Combined Arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noluck Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Warthog%20Hotas&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&ap=Y&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsJb31M3z6QIVDT2tBh2NHQ2bEAAYASAAEgI2fPD_BwE Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Dual Throttles B&H # THUSAFLT MFR # 2960739 3 Reviews Key Features Replica U.S Air Force AC-10C Throttles Built-In Replica Control Panel Programmable Controls Compatible with All Joysticks More Details $329.99 Add to Cart Again, not just buying the throttle. See my original message. Way to expensive. Throttle and Stick combo is OOS and goes for $549 (!!!). -- PC: Windows 10 Pro X64, AMD FX8120 8 Core @ ~4.0GHz, 32GB DDR3-1600, GTX 1080 8Gb, 1 TB EVO 860 SSD | Displays: 3 Dell HD 1920x1080 @ 5520x1080 windowed ||| Hardware : TM Warthog HOTAS Stick+Throttle | 3x TM Cougar MFD's | WW Combat Panel | WW Landing Panel ||| Mods: F/A-18C | F-16 | P51-D | UH-1H | C130-J | NTTR | Persian Gulf | Syria | Channel | Normandy | WWII Assets | Super Carrier | Combined Arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noluck Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just wait until TM has the HOTAS back in stock. Then it will be easy to find the whole HOTAS for $450 with free shipping. I wouldn't pay more than that. That's my thoughts. I'll keep on the lookout though, you never know. --- PC: Windows 10 Pro X64, AMD FX8120 8 Core @ ~4.0GHz, 32GB DDR3-1600, GTX 1080 8Gb, 1 TB EVO 860 SSD | Displays: 3 Dell HD 1920x1080 @ 5520x1080 windowed ||| Hardware : TM Warthog HOTAS Stick+Throttle | 3x TM Cougar MFD's | WW Combat Panel | WW Landing Panel ||| Mods: F/A-18C | F-16 | P51-D | UH-1H | C130-J | NTTR | Persian Gulf | Syria | Channel | Normandy | WWII Assets | Super Carrier | Combined Arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 They also have refurbished ones on offer sometimes. I got mine through there. Can't tell the difference from a new one. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noluck Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) They also have refurbished ones on offer sometimes. I got mine through there. Can't tell the difference from a new one. Man, thank the maker! I was looking around as I usually do searching for a good price on the Warthog (WH) HOTAS. Well, last week in the morning around 6AM I logged into Amazon and checked for availability (they have been sold out for weeks...). To my amazement under the "available under these sellers" link there was an open-box WH set listed for $410 + FREE shipping! It was listed as "package damaged, however like new" and... sitting in a Amazon warehouse. Needless to say, I payed for it right away! They shipped it only using the ORIGINAL box and not packaged! However no damage was found on the outside of the original box nor the units inside themselves. It's kind of strange, damaged box and not a damaged box? Oh, the units were definitely new, not a mark or dust on them. Maybe they were a re-firb? I don't really care. I'm now a proud owner of a decent HOTAS. Already programmed/set it up for the F/A-18C, using mostly default DCS bindings. NOW, it's more realistic and 100% more enjoyable. Now I can also get down to serious training. --- Edited June 17, 2020 by Noluck PC: Windows 10 Pro X64, AMD FX8120 8 Core @ ~4.0GHz, 32GB DDR3-1600, GTX 1080 8Gb, 1 TB EVO 860 SSD | Displays: 3 Dell HD 1920x1080 @ 5520x1080 windowed ||| Hardware : TM Warthog HOTAS Stick+Throttle | 3x TM Cougar MFD's | WW Combat Panel | WW Landing Panel ||| Mods: F/A-18C | F-16 | P51-D | UH-1H | C130-J | NTTR | Persian Gulf | Syria | Channel | Normandy | WWII Assets | Super Carrier | Combined Arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 :thumbup: Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandosolo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 the issue is simple. the stimulus checks went out and everyone bought up all the flight stuff. Thrustmaster and Logitech both basically sold out of the big stuff. They are waiting for the cargo ships to dock and then everything will be back in stock. Until that time stupid prices will be around. Just give it another month and it should all be back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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