Hornet bugs after each update ...

[sigzegv]

Go to play on the stable branch, it's where it's ok to cry for bugs.

 

If you play on the beta branch, you're just supposed to test features and report bugs, and assume game can be heavily broken and don't whine, end of the discussion. Beta is not supposed to be stable everytime (that's the whole point of the name)

[Padonis]

I didn't want to repeat myself, but I will do it especially for you.

 

The problem is that the mass of errors from OB goes to the stable version. Even in OB there should not be such obvious errors, that's what the test team is intended for. Beta players are to track down other minor bugs. So there is a question. Where's the test team? Do they play the same game? Or maybe there is a problem further, at the stage of completing files for patches and uploading them to the server?

 

I play the beta because:

- most people play the beta

- I play MP with friends who play the beta

- I want to help and report errors, but not catastrophic oversights

- The waiting time for all new things is extended by many months.

- The most popular MP servers, works on beta, by testing new patches

Edited June 11, 2020 by padonis

[Sylle]

Exactly... it’s called Open Beta and not Open Alpha guys!

Showstopper bugs discovered in the first 30sec of flying have no reason to ever be pushed to a big group of testers/customers.

 

By pushing an unusable version to the crowd they also lose the opportunity to receive valuable feedback on so many other parts of the sim as lots of us are just gonna wait it out or revert to previous versions.

 

Regards,

Sylvain

[Furiz]

Is it 2 weeks until the next update? I love this game but all the good servers are on the open beta so having this problem makes the game unplayable for me. I really hope I don't have to stop playing for 2 weeks until this is fixed

 

 

If you guys, the players, switch to Stable, the MP servers will switch too, cause they don't like to be empty.

Difference is not so huge anymore, you have new toys on Beta fine but they are so bugged that you cant use them properly so its same as not having them.

[Padonis]

I will quote a colleague who is probably right.

 

"Instead of correcting what they ruined last week (lighting), they introduced another update with a lot of changes in the game. Only a few days for everything, no one has tested it well, and the effects are as seen."

[danvac]

Exactly... it’s called Open Beta and not Open Alpha guys!

Showstopper bugs discovered in the first 30sec of flying have no reason to ever be pushed to a big group of testers/customers.

 

By pushing an unusable version to the crowd they also lose the opportunity to receive valuable feedback on so many other parts of the sim as lots of us are just gonna wait it out or revert to previous versions.

 

Regards,

Sylvain

 

That's great idea... ED should just rename it to open alpha and problem is solved. :music_whistling:

[Sylle]

:D

[VMFA117_Poko]

I love when ppl defend that this is Open Beta - you should expect problems. Yeah, this is OPEN (!) beta, not closed beta! I expect problems but not so many game braking bugs. We've paid for it, not being paid for testing. Stable is also not quite far from open beta state. It's full of bugs too.

Edited June 11, 2020 by Poko24

[Furiz]

I love when ppl defend that this is Open Beta - you should expect problems. Yeah, this is OPEN (!) beta, not closed beta! I expect problems but not so many game braking bugs. We've paid for it, not being paid for testing. Stable is also not quite far from open beta state. It's full of bugs too.

 

 

You paid for the Release version.

You paid for a module in EA and you knew what you are paying for, a not finished module.

They don't force you to play Beta, saying you are not being paid for testing is really absurd, you can play Stable anytime you want, stable doesn't have that much bugs just modules in EA = not finished, off course things will appear broken, they are not finished.

[Gripen 4-1]

You paid for the Release version.

You paid for a module in EA and you knew what you are paying for, a not finished module.

They don't force you to play Beta, saying you are not being paid for testing is really absurd, you can play Stable anytime you want, stable doesn't have that much bugs just modules in EA = not finished, off course things will appear broken, they are not finished.

 

Oh c'mon! How many ED modules are out of EA? I followed the situation for a year now, and I was patient and didn't whine arround here, but since 2.5.6 in february they messed up everything!

 

And the best thing is: they rolled a bugged OB to stable :thumbup: THIS IS INSANE

I switched from beta to stable when they messed up 2.5.6 but now also the AI in the stable is messed up. JDAM are not working and so on.

So please stop telling the people it is because it is a beta and the modules are in EA! Because EA means to me,that not everthing is working and it does not mean, that things that already worked are unusuable now. This is simply bad quality managment with the updates. There are bugs I noticed within 2 minutes, but the devteam didn't???? Really??? ARE YOU SERIOUS???

 

Wouldn't it be cool to finish the EA modules ? Oh wait...... then there is no excuse anymore for a completely bugged game!

[Biga42]

We all here are Beta Testers....

[The RDN]

Oh c'mon! How many ED modules are out of EA? I followed the situation for a year now, and I was patient and didn't whine arround here, but since 2.5.6 in february they messed up everything!

 

And the best thing is: they rolled a bugged OB to stable :thumbup: THIS IS INSANE

I switched from beta to stable when they messed up 2.5.6 but now also the AI in the stable is messed up. JDAM are not working and so on.

So please stop telling the people it is because it is a beta and the modules are in EA! Because EA means to me,that not everthing is working and it does not mean, that things that already worked are unusuable now. This is simply bad quality managment with the updates. There are bugs I noticed within 2 minutes, but the devteam didn't???? Really??? ARE YOU SERIOUS???

 

Wouldn't it be cool to finish the EA modules ? Oh wait...... then there is no excuse anymore for a completely bugged game!

 

 

well said... I'm tired of this stable release argument... the stable is currently as broken as the beta.

[GazAce]

I'll gladly wait ;-)

 

Phew! I'm glad I got the word early, won't be updating when I get home from work later tonight. These pages, geeez. In the words of Oddball himself.. "wow like so many negative waves man"

[VMFA117_Poko]

Oh c'mon! How many ED modules are out of EA? I followed the situation for a year now, and I was patient and didn't whine arround here, but since 2.5.6 in february they messed up everything!

 

And the best thing is: they rolled a bugged OB to stable :thumbup: THIS IS INSANE

I switched from beta to stable when they messed up 2.5.6 but now also the AI in the stable is messed up. JDAM are not working and so on.

So please stop telling the people it is because it is a beta and the modules are in EA! Because EA means to me,that not everthing is working and it does not mean, that things that already worked are unusuable now. This is simply bad quality managment with the updates. There are bugs I noticed within 2 minutes, but the devteam didn't???? Really??? ARE YOU SERIOUS???

 

Wouldn't it be cool to finish the EA modules ? Oh wait...... then there is no excuse anymore for a completely bugged game!

 

Exactly Gripen 4-1!

[VpR81]

New modules create ca$h flow which is necessary to maintain company viability.

 

No, wrong. People paying money for modules create cash flow wich is necessary to keep the company vital. And i for myself have decided to stop that, until the Hornet and the F-16 are both truly feature complete and there are no significant bugs and performance issues left in the stable release version. I planned to dip my toes into helicopters with the coming hind and into the WW2 part with the recently EA released channel map. Scratched both and will wait for all modules to be completed. Not out of EA, but truly feature complete. And if more and more ppl decide like that, ED will get into serious trouble although releasing one module after another.

 

Go to play on the stable branch, it's where it's ok to cry for bugs.

 

If you play on the beta branch, you're just supposed to test features and report bugs, and assume game can be heavily broken and don't whine, end of the discussion. Beta is not supposed to be stable everytime (that's the whole point of the name)

 

Can you even name 10 significant bugs in the OB, wich are NOT existant in the stable version? If not, the "go to stable version" argument is invalid. In fact it isn't an argument at all then, just a sign of having no clue.

[danvac]

Can you even name 10 significant bugs in the OB, wich are NOT existant in the stable version? If not, the "go to stable version" argument is invalid. In fact it isn't an argument at all then, just a sign of having no clue.

 

Bugs which are both in stable and open beta are not good argument against stable as you will suffer from them in both versions.

 

Problem is when bugs are fixed in open beta and not in stable and it's for long time.

Problem with open beta are those bugs which cause crashes to desktop and unsuable features.

People should push on ED to make sure bugs breaking features are not allowed in stable version so it's usable all the time.

[jojo]

i'm honestly wondering why the public multiplayer crowd does not simply move to stable branch.

stable is not perfect either, but for all the years i fly in dcs, i have never seen a "gamebreaking" stable release.

 

Right now, the IA not avoiding collision on the ground can break a lot of missions or campaigns, and that bug is on stable :music_whistling:

 

It was reported more than one week before stable update, it's fixed on beta but not on release...

[VpR81]

Bugs which are both in stable and open beta are not good argument against stable as you will suffer from them in both versions.

 

Problem is when bugs are fixed in open beta and not in stable and it's for long time.

Problem with open beta are those bugs which cause crashes to desktop and unsuable features.

People should push on ED to make sure bugs breaking features are not allowed in stable version so it's usable all the time.

 

You got me wrong. I'm not argueing against stable. I'm argueing against the advice to go to stable if one doesn't like the bugs, as there is basically no significant difference to OB.

Edited June 11, 2020 by VpR81

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all

 

we dropped the ball on this one for sure.

 

Planned hotfix today https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=273255

 

But please remember open beta is a public test build.

 

thank you

[Biga42]

@BigNewy as I sad in post #61

[DBFlyguy]

Hi all

 

But please remember open beta is a public test build.

 

thank you

 

Then it's probably a good idea for ED to set the example and stop using Open Beta as the main version of the game. ED advertises release dates based on their release to open beta, not the stable.

 

Thanks.

[Ala12Rv-Muscat]

I have thrown in the towel with ED and his beloved "early access" this started being something exciting with the exit of the hornet, or when they implemented the change of the edge 2.0 lighting engine... good times... but seeing how they are doing things every day they get my frustration level to rise with every update, predicted a bad end doing things as they have done until now.

 

 

probably a few fanboys will jump to defend this incomprehensible attitude so good luck with that, I'm fed up and if nobody says it clearly I think it's time to complain

 

ED wake up!

[Furiz]

Then it's probably a good idea for ED to set the example and stop using Open Beta as the main version of the game. ED advertises release dates based on their release to open beta, not the stable.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Agree, and MP servers could move to Stable as well.

[DLEGION]

i was telling long time ago.

but the ED train is still heading the same way… i posted many suggestions, pratical and possible, that would have pushed ED into the future, but no way...they like things as they are.

i'll wait the day F18 is complete (not just out of EA) and bug-free to buy something again, but i really, really wish to see a total change of policy, and get faith in the company again.

but sadly… seems that will just not happen.