New Haze Bug?

[wilbur81]

Possible new bug with the latest patch: Fog set to none. Gamma is set to 1.7.

Edited June 12, 2020 by wilbur81

[Bobik2002]

What's your preload radius? I haven't played this week so it could be bug.

[Cgjunk2]

I have noticed extremely high levels of haze, perhaps believable if it was in Los Angeles. Very washed out experience now mid day. Haze level does not change according to altitude either. That said, your visibility looks much better than mine. My settings are maxed out for visiblity and preload radius.

 

 

 

By the way, what's up with the waves on the sea in that picture... wow.

[Shadow KT]

If you are talking about the the white bloom effect on the horizon, it has been there aince 2.5.6and it is superannoying and unrealistic

[wilbur81]

I'm using 100% preload radius. There's also a lot of wind in the screenshot, so choppy seas. :)

[schurem]

I think it looks great and realistic. Gives a better sense of distance.

[wilbur81]

I think it looks great and realistic. Gives a better sense of distance.

 

Yeah, it would look realistic if it was simulating a hazy, hot day. But that's not what's going on. So, in general, it's very much not realistic.

[rayrayblues]

I think it looks great and realistic. Gives a better sense of distance.

 

Looks real to me too. I see it every time I take an airliner.

Actually, it should increase with distance and virtually disappear close up.

It's the thickness of the atmosphere. More distance, more atmosphere.

[Eldur]

It is pathetic actually. It looks great as a effect (it always has in this engine), but is way overdone.

 

I've just taken off from Senaki to the east and turned northwards on a DCS standard CAVOK day:

 

 

In the Rift, I could barely see the village/town to the right even with Gamma turned down to 1.0 (was running 2.8 for ages since 2.5 dropped), the horizon didn't exist at all, it's just barely visible here on the shot.

 

Later, when having gained some altitude, it became even more washed out

 

 

I couldn't see the rivers and other landscape features at all and was just barely able to make out the horizon, but not discerning actual mountains there.

 

When I flew home, I was barely able to navigate back, mainly because I could make out the coast eventually and follow that. But until getting there, at 15kft everything looked totally washed out and from time to time I thought I wasn't flying level anymore, having real issues keeping the thing straight as there just was no horizon at all.

 

 

Now just as a comparison, I found a photo shot from Lanchkhuti which is just south of Senaki, in northern direction. Just see how clearly we can see the Caucasus here, with the Elbrus being ~140km away:

 

 

You'd get very much a similar picture from Munich looking south to the Alps which are ~100km away as well:

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=münchen+alpen

 

A sight like this is absolutely impossible in DCS, and the sky isn't even clear:

 

 

And the last few updates made the already existing issue a lot worse to begin with.

 

Haze after all, as far as I understand is the actual atmosphere, yes. But the main factor here is humidity. We can't change that (yet), and it's clear that better visibility should be possible in the Caucasus even. Now start to think of the NTTR or PG deserts, where it's literally always dry as f*. Same haze in DCS... max visibility <10nm. Definately not quite right IMHO.

 

And, worst of all, it's absolutely impossible to see a HUD against it.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Eldur

[rayrayblues]

Okay, I agree that it's over done. You're right about the humidity.

They could back off on it a bit.

 

The Persian Gulf is not dry as F***. The average humidity in Dubai is 80 to 90%

with temps as high as 120F.

 

Nevada is much like Phoenix Arizona where I live; 8 to 10% humidity from

April through June with temps avg. 105 to 115F. In July and August, the northerly

flow of moist air from tropical Mexico meets the hot dry air and creates

massive monsoon storms; raising the humidity.

 

In contrast, NTTR is a sauna and PG is a steam room. The haze would be more likely in PG.

[cabzi]

A sight like this is absolutely impossible in DCS, and the sky isn't even clear:

 

Sorry, but no. Why are you comparing a touched-up/filtered photo from ground level to what it really looks like up in the air?

 

I think the haze should be even more prominent, but it is going to right direction. So no bug here.

[Eldur]

The average humidity in Dubai is 80 to 90%

with temps as high as 120F.

 

Didn't know that, except for the temperatures...

 

Sorry, but no. Why are you comparing a touched-up/filtered photo from ground level to what it really looks like up in the air?

 

I think the haze should be even more prominent, but it is going to right direction. So no bug here.

 

I guess that makes you happy, unedited, unfiltered guaranteed:

 

 

But well, it's hard to compare due to the completely different weather.

 

Here are some others, as well 100% unedited and unfiltered:

 

 

 

 

All images are scaled down due to file size limits BTW. I could see the mountains very clearly those days, even though the cloudy sky. Can't do that in DCS, not even on the ground, or shall I say, especially not being on the ground as it's way easier in DCS to see the mountain ridge up high.

[UncleZam]

I think also that the haze is too strong now, or at least there should be option for clearer weather.

 

One thing I noticed in @eldur's photos that they are all taken in cloudy weather. Could it be that the clearest visibility happens when there are some clouds blocking direct sunlight? Maybe someone acquainted with meteorogical phenomena could shed some light in this issue.

Edited June 15, 2020 by Unclezam

[wilbur81]

In addition to the buggy visibility/haze... also note that the tree draw distance seems a good deal shorter, with a fairly obvious/abrupt line noted in the red circles. My pre-load and tree sliders are all set to max. This only seems to be a problem in Caucasus map?

[Cgjunk2]

In real life, Haze is just another weather variable. There is no need to make it more prominent as Cabzi suggests. Baking in even more would be like requiring that all weather conditions in DCS include overcast clouds.

 

What would make sense is to make haze another slider that you could adjust. It’s been a while since I’ve flown a plane, but I have flown in CAVU conditions. While nothing is truly unlimited, 100 mile visibilities at a few thousand feet altitude can and do happen. There are also days where the haze level actually does interfere with getting a clear view of the horizon. In fact the horizon sometimes basically is gone, where flight over water can essentially become instrument conditions despite 10 mile viz

Edited June 16, 2020 by Cgjunk2

[JasonJ]

In addition to the buggy visibility/haze... also note that the tree draw distance seems a good deal shorter, with a fairly obvious/abrupt line noted in the red circles. My pre-load and tree sliders are all set to max. This only seems to be a problem in Caucasus map?

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Totally noticed this changed as well when the FPS issues plaguing beta 2.5.6 these last few months were addressed and beta went into stable 2.5.6.

[MonnieRock]

ED,

Please turn down the haze or give us the options in the weather section of the mission editor.

 

Thank you,

Monnie

[Eldur]

What would make sense is to make haze another slider that you could adjust. It’s been a while since I’ve flown a plane, but I have flown in CAVU conditions. While nothing is truly unlimited, 100 mile visibilities at a few thousand feet altitude can and do happen. There are also days where the haze level actually does interfere with getting a clear view of the horizon. In fact the horizon sometimes basically is gone, where flight over water can essentially become instrument conditions despite 10 mile viz

 

I think this is the way to go anyway. With a decent weather sim that's planned it's absolutely mandatory, but I'd very much like to have that slider even before that.

[wilbur81]

Man, the haze is really bad still (latest OB with 20 Celsius and fog option off):

[Mustang]

Man, the haze is really bad still (latest OB with 20 Celsius and fog option off):

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https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=281666

[wilbur81]

Wow! Super cool! I'll give it a try.

 

Thanks, Mustang.