Supmua Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) https://realsimulator.com/ Specs are similar to the F-16 version. Bluetooth, it seems, won't be officially supported since not many people use it but they include it anyway (useful if you put it on your own rod or non-Realsim bases such as those from Virpil/Thrustmaster/Brunner). Once I get my own unit I'll put up a review. Edited June 20, 2020 by Supmua PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lighty Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Wow - this looks awesome - wish I had a spare $630 AUD (incl shipping) to get one to Australia! I wish the TM version was made of resin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Will this grip work on a Virpil Warbird base? I use a Warthog grip on it now. Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) Will this grip work on a Virpil Warbird base? I use a Warthog grip on it now. It should but you have to be in Bluetooth mode to access all the 64 DX inputs (actually 512 since it has 8 memory slots). I don’t have it so cannot confirm but my F16 grip works that way. I plan to use mine with the WarBRD base also. Edited June 21, 2020 by Supmua PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirrah Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Honest question and no intend on trolling here, but what makes this grip so much better than the Thrustmaster equivalent? Price certainly is a lot higher, so there must be some kind of quality difference. System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) Honest question and no intend on trolling here, but what makes this grip so much better than the Thrustmaster equivalent? Price certainly is a lot higher, so there must be some kind of quality difference. Realsimulator normally makes products for military and commercial institutions, and occasionally they would offer home version of these. Keep in mind that these are niche products not meant for the mass. Why do they price it high? 1. Brand Reputation: Self-explanatory. They're also known for making high-end devices and price them as such. Same reason why some rudder pedals would cost $600-700. 2. Quality: Craftsmanship. High density resin material, not cheap plastic. Exact replica of the F-18E grip in outer appearance (although they add 5-way switches to everything). 3. Features: has bluetooth and can function wirelessly without a base with its own gyro sensor. 500+ DX inputs in bluetooth mode or when connected to their FSSB R3L base, so you can bind lots of lots of commands. Can be powered from battery pack or bases that use similar connection to Thrustmaster. All settings are saved in the grip. 4. Limited production: These aren't meant to be mass market devices that come straight out of Chinese factories. If you don't make a lot at a time, the price would stay high. 5. Support: Do you know of any company that would provide 1:1 video call to help fix your problem? They're one of those. Edited June 21, 2020 by Supmua PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 It should but you have to be in Bluetooth mode to access all the 64 DX inputs (actually 512 since it has 8 memory slots). I don’t have it so cannot confirm but my F16 grip works that way. I plan to use mine with the WarBRD base also. Fantastic....Thank You for Reply!!:thumbup: Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSqdn Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) Realsimulator F-18CGRH is available for preorder I have the F16SGRH CE and it’s the best grip I’ve ever used. I knew this Hornet grip would be a day 1 order for me. I’ve been checking their site two or three times a week for this. Ordered. Edit: I should add that I use the F-16 grip on both the FSSB R3L for the Viper, and in the T-50CM2 base via Bluetooth for the Warthog. No problems with either. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 21, 2020 by RogueSqdn DEFENSOR FORTIS Spoiler Systems: Falcon NW Talon: Ryzen 9 5950X @4.9GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX 3090 FE; Falcon NW Mach V: Core i7 3930K @3.2GHz, 32GB DDR3, GTX 1080 FE Cockpit: MonsterTech MTX F, 42" 4K TV, HP Reverb G2, Oculus Rift S, PointCTRL Controls: RS F16SGRH CE, RS F18CGRH, VPC T-50CM2, VFX, WarBRD (Grips); VPC T-50CM2, RS FSSB R3L (Bases); Winwing F/A-18C, VPC T-50CM3, VPC T-50CM, TM Warthog, Cougar (Throttles); VPC ACE2 (Rudders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 For some reason I can not pre-order...won't connect to Paypal for some reason? Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSqdn Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 No PayPal issues here. The only issue I had was realizing that I needed to create a new account since they have a new web store. My last order from them was in January. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk DEFENSOR FORTIS Spoiler Systems: Falcon NW Talon: Ryzen 9 5950X @4.9GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX 3090 FE; Falcon NW Mach V: Core i7 3930K @3.2GHz, 32GB DDR3, GTX 1080 FE Cockpit: MonsterTech MTX F, 42" 4K TV, HP Reverb G2, Oculus Rift S, PointCTRL Controls: RS F16SGRH CE, RS F18CGRH, VPC T-50CM2, VFX, WarBRD (Grips); VPC T-50CM2, RS FSSB R3L (Bases); Winwing F/A-18C, VPC T-50CM3, VPC T-50CM, TM Warthog, Cougar (Throttles); VPC ACE2 (Rudders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 OK..I'll try creating a account Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMGZ06 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 No PayPal issues here. The only issue I had was realizing that I needed to create a new account since they have a new web store. My last order from them was in January. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So their Force sensing really works with the F16 properly? That is the biggest issue I have had with the F16 in DCS is the fact that I have to run crazy negative curves with my VKB or Warthog stick to get the plane to respond and not feel like a lazy 747. So this keeps me from flying it at all. The negative curves then cause all sorts of issues with fine adjustment in flight with AAR. System Specs: 13900K, Strix Z790 Gaming E, MSI 4090 Sprim Liquid X OC'd, 64gb Gskill Trident Z DDR5, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 SSD,. Winwing throttle, Winwing panels/MIPs and VKB GF3/MCGU stick, MFG Crosswind V2, HP REVERB G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSqdn Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I use no curves at all with my grip and FSSB base. I only use a dead zone of 2 to account for unintentional jitter from muscle twitches. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk DEFENSOR FORTIS Spoiler Systems: Falcon NW Talon: Ryzen 9 5950X @4.9GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX 3090 FE; Falcon NW Mach V: Core i7 3930K @3.2GHz, 32GB DDR3, GTX 1080 FE Cockpit: MonsterTech MTX F, 42" 4K TV, HP Reverb G2, Oculus Rift S, PointCTRL Controls: RS F16SGRH CE, RS F18CGRH, VPC T-50CM2, VFX, WarBRD (Grips); VPC T-50CM2, RS FSSB R3L (Bases); Winwing F/A-18C, VPC T-50CM3, VPC T-50CM, TM Warthog, Cougar (Throttles); VPC ACE2 (Rudders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Got my order in. This was an easy decision for me. I have a F16SGRH and the product is really that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSqdn Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Realsimulator F-18CGRH is available for preorder I’m working on setting up my F16SGRH/T-50CM2 and T-50CM throttle for use in X-Wing and TIE Fighter this weekend. Seeing the new Squadrons trailer inspired me to break these out again. It’ll give me something to do until my Monstertech rig comes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk DEFENSOR FORTIS Spoiler Systems: Falcon NW Talon: Ryzen 9 5950X @4.9GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX 3090 FE; Falcon NW Mach V: Core i7 3930K @3.2GHz, 32GB DDR3, GTX 1080 FE Cockpit: MonsterTech MTX F, 42" 4K TV, HP Reverb G2, Oculus Rift S, PointCTRL Controls: RS F16SGRH CE, RS F18CGRH, VPC T-50CM2, VFX, WarBRD (Grips); VPC T-50CM2, RS FSSB R3L (Bases); Winwing F/A-18C, VPC T-50CM3, VPC T-50CM, TM Warthog, Cougar (Throttles); VPC ACE2 (Rudders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 So their Force sensing really works with the F16 properly? That is the biggest issue I have had with the F16 in DCS is the fact that I have to run crazy negative curves with my VKB or Warthog stick to get the plane to respond and not feel like a lazy 747. So this keeps me from flying it at all. The negative curves then cause all sorts of issues with fine adjustment in flight with AAR. The FSSB R3L is an electronic base, it is not limited by traditional cams and springs whose sizes are fixed and can be a pain to swap and even then might not give the feel that you want. You can customize the force sensitivity by changing the values in the software (and much more, including more sophisticated functions such as roll assist, directional angle, etc). Plane not responsive enough? You can easily reduce the force sensitivity setting to change that. Just dial in any number you want, even in decimal points. You can also make the F-16C behave like a paper plan, just one light touch would flip the plane right away. Of course this isn’t realistic, but it is something that can be done. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 Realsimulator F-18CGRH is available for preorder I’m working in setting up my F16SGRH/T-50CM2 and T-50CM throttle for use in X-Wing and TIE Fighter this weekend. Seeing the new Squadrons trailer inspired me to break these out again. It’ll give me something to do until my Monstertech rig comes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Oh yeah I can’t wait to play that one, especially in VR. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMGZ06 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) The FSSB R3L is an electronic base, it is not limited by traditional cams and springs whose sizes are fixed and can be a pain to swap and even then might not give the feel that you want. You can customize the force sensitivity by changing the values in the software (and much more, including more sophisticated functions such as roll assist, directional angle, etc). Plane not responsive enough? You can easily reduce the force sensitivity setting to change that. Just dial in any number you want, even in decimal points. You can also make the F-16C behave like a paper plan, just one light touch would flip the plane right away. Of course this isn’t realistic, but it is something that can be done. Well I think I am going to have to get one just for the Viper since I love the plane but have ended up sticking with the Hornet and F14 since they do not feel lazy and I do not have to use any curves or deadzones with my VKB stick. I just found a video of the R3 and how much it actually moves and that seems pretty realistic and will add a lot to flying the F16. I think I will just get the standard F16 grip since it is available it looks like. I can see the one issue will be knowing the limits just like with new F16 pilots and how much pressure you need to apply for full deflection and getting max G etc. I have heard several F16 pilots say they basically end up going out there and just try to rip the stick off to be sure they get max performance.lol Edited June 21, 2020 by BMGZ06 System Specs: 13900K, Strix Z790 Gaming E, MSI 4090 Sprim Liquid X OC'd, 64gb Gskill Trident Z DDR5, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 SSD,. Winwing throttle, Winwing panels/MIPs and VKB GF3/MCGU stick, MFG Crosswind V2, HP REVERB G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSqdn Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Not an issue with the R3L base. It both lights up and beeps to let you know both when you’re approaching max force, and when you reach it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk DEFENSOR FORTIS Spoiler Systems: Falcon NW Talon: Ryzen 9 5950X @4.9GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX 3090 FE; Falcon NW Mach V: Core i7 3930K @3.2GHz, 32GB DDR3, GTX 1080 FE Cockpit: MonsterTech MTX F, 42" 4K TV, HP Reverb G2, Oculus Rift S, PointCTRL Controls: RS F16SGRH CE, RS F18CGRH, VPC T-50CM2, VFX, WarBRD (Grips); VPC T-50CM2, RS FSSB R3L (Bases); Winwing F/A-18C, VPC T-50CM3, VPC T-50CM, TM Warthog, Cougar (Throttles); VPC ACE2 (Rudders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) Actually, if your F-16C rolls like a turd rather than using negative curve it is better to decrease the X saturation to something like 75% (steepen the slope). This can change the behavior significantly. Same concept applies to the pitch, but I find the pitch responsiveness is fine the way it is at least on my WarBRD base. You might not even need a Realsim base, unless you want to play with force sensing mechanics. With the Harrier and Hornet on my setup, it is the opposite. Since I use an extension tube with it, which is not recommended by Virpil, the control is a bit loose especially with a heavy Thrustmaster grip on it. Reducing the Y saturation on pitch and roll to 80% (flatten the slope) gives me tighter control. The long throw of the stick helps tremendously with hovering, VTOL, etc. compared to doing it without extension. I barely need to trim since I can just hold the stick in place without applying much force. Edited June 22, 2020 by Supmua PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markturner1960 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Really want to order one, as I want to support the company, such great guys and fantastic service.....however, I already have the TM version and a spare from my Winwing throttle....hmmmm.... Would to sell the other 2.......do you think they would go easy? System specs: PC1 :Scan 3XS Ryzen 5900X, 64GB Corsair veng DDR4 3600, EVGA GTX 3090 Win 10, Quest Pro, Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo monitor. Tir5. PC2 ( Helo) Scan 3XS Intel 9900 K, 32 GB Ram, 2080Ti, 50 inch Phillips monitor F/A-18C: Rhino FFB base TianHang F16 grip, Winwing MP 1, F-18 throttle, TO & Combat panels, MFG crosswind & DFB Aces seat Viper: WinWing MFSSB base with F-16 grip, Winwing F-16 throttle, plus Vipergear ICP. MFG crosswind rudders. Helo ( Apache) set up: Virpil collective with AH64D grip, Cyclic : Rhino FFB base & TM F18 grip, MFG crosswind rudders, Total controls AH64 MFD's, TEDAC Unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebeat Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Unfortunately, it is not compatible with my VKB base which I bought 3 months ago and made no sense to me to use it with a FSSB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebeat Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I use no curves at all with my grip and FSSB base. I only use a dead zone of 2 to account for unintentional jitter from muscle twitches. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk For that, you should use FSSB's 'break force' option instead, it is similar to a dead zone but far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSqdn Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I’ll take a look at that, thanks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk DEFENSOR FORTIS Spoiler Systems: Falcon NW Talon: Ryzen 9 5950X @4.9GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX 3090 FE; Falcon NW Mach V: Core i7 3930K @3.2GHz, 32GB DDR3, GTX 1080 FE Cockpit: MonsterTech MTX F, 42" 4K TV, HP Reverb G2, Oculus Rift S, PointCTRL Controls: RS F16SGRH CE, RS F18CGRH, VPC T-50CM2, VFX, WarBRD (Grips); VPC T-50CM2, RS FSSB R3L (Bases); Winwing F/A-18C, VPC T-50CM3, VPC T-50CM, TM Warthog, Cougar (Throttles); VPC ACE2 (Rudders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 I might be getting a test unit soon *fingers crossed*. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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