DCS: F-15C

[mytai01]

There is no real excuse why this aircraft is just an FC3 aircraft...It's one of the Teen Series fighters which are all represented as high fidelity aircraft. F-15E is nice, but it isn't the Charlie model...It needs more love than this...

[draconus]

Been requested many many times here and in both F-15C and Wishlist subforums.

No point discussing again... just +1.

[303_Vins]

Been requested many many times here and in both F-15C and Wishlist subforums.

No point discussing again... just +1.

 

 

Agree. Why no F-15C ED Hi Fidelity ? or... Medium Fidelity? Why not?

Or just small upgrades month by month. 2-3 buttons animated, RDR, MPCD, TEWS, Brightness adjustment, TCN implementation. Step by small step. ( By the way)

Autopilot functions. ATC Functions. There is alot of F-15 Enthusiasts reday to pay for Good F-15C.

Wags, what U think about?

Edited July 3, 2020 by 303_Vins

[Odey]

Aren't they converted from FC3 ? maybe that's the limitation ?

[draconus]

I'd be fine with easy way too - just take whatever you can and add what's missing but I gues ED would rather make it from scratch which is preferable.

[draconus]

From the latest interview with ED

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=282292

(around 1h36m)

F-15C is not in plans as being a pure fighter make it a low demand product.

[captain_dalan]

From the latest interview with ED

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=282292

(around 1h36m)

F-15C is not in plans as being a pure fighter make it a low demand product.

:cry:

I hope the mud mover crowd is happy......

[Poopskadoop]

The F-15C was part of the original Lock On repertoire, hence it was modeled like the other aircraft. For my part, I disagree. I don't think we need another teen fighter so soon. What I would love over anything else is a professionally done, slightly updated Flanker. An SM? SM2? SM3? I don't really care, just something.

 

Then you can have your F-15C or E and whatever else... Of course the reality is we'll probably see a fully modeled F-22 before another Flanker.

[blkspade]

From the latest interview with ED

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=282292

(around 1h36m)

F-15C is not in plans as being a pure fighter make it a low demand product.

 

They say that but, who is this according to though? Literally everything ED has released has been designed to move mud in some capacity. PGMs end up making it far less challenging without going out of your way to do unnatural things. The ground unit AI is and always has been stupid, and only kill you when you behave worse. The F-15 is to CAP what the A-10 is to CAS. There are plenty of people that prefer Air to Air, which leans more in the multiplayer direction since humans are dynamic and can learn and adapt. So those people aren't worth the effort of a full fidelity Air superiority platform? Nor can they have fully functioning radios and avionics and become as integrated in the warzone as the multirole aircraft. Anyone that has been doing A-A in DCS long enough can quite easily pick out the shortcomings of the multirole fighters in the AS role.

[dundun92]

Yea I dont see how a FF F-15C would be low-demand at all.

[*Rage*]

According to their sales.

 

Also he says 90% of their customers are SP only. He almost freaked out a bit when the interviewer suggested ED should prioritise MP instead of SP.

 

Personally I still think an F15C would sell very well.

[BlackPixxel]

nvm

[Poopskadoop]

They say that but, who is this according to though? Literally everything ED has released has been designed to move mud in some capacity. PGMs end up making it far less challenging without going out of your way to do unnatural things. The ground unit AI is and always has been stupid, and only kill you when you behave worse. The F-15 is to CAP what the A-10 is to CAS. There are plenty of people that prefer Air to Air, which leans more in the multiplayer direction since humans are dynamic and can learn and adapt. So those people aren't worth the effort of a full fidelity Air superiority platform? Nor can they have fully functioning radios and avionics and become as integrated in the warzone as the multirole aircraft. Anyone that has been doing A-A in DCS long enough can quite easily pick out the shortcomings of the multirole fighters in the AS role.

Yeah, I don't understand that reasoning either--doesn't make sense. I suspect the real reason is because, unlike the F-14, F-18, and F-16, the F-15C has been in the game forever and most people are probably satisfied enough by the simplified model, which is by no means horrible. Seems like a lot of effort to sell a plane many less informed buyers will see and think "don't I already have that?"

 

However, if we were to get a professional F-15C, we need a newer variant flanker too, like an SM. Why? Because shut up, that's why. RedFor needs a little love every now and then.

[HiJack]

Personally I still think an F15C would sell very well.

 

I believe it would sell more than the F-16, maybe even more than the F/A-18 :thumbup:

 

Bring it on! :)

[FoxAlfa]

Unfortunately leaving the Eagle for later makes a lot of sense, they always can keep it as "Ace in sleeve" to boost up sales later.

 

Also if released now it would take away Air-to-air sales from the Viper, as well as some sales from the Strike Eagle which is bound to get some sales as "Charlie" stand-in especially if CFT get to be removable.

Edited August 13, 2020 by FoxAlfa

[blkspade]

Yeah, I don't understand that reasoning either--doesn't make sense. I suspect the real reason is because, unlike the F-14, F-18, and F-16, the F-15C has been in the game forever and most people are probably satisfied enough by the simplified model, which is by no means horrible. Seems like a lot of effort to sell a plane many less informed buyers will see and think "don't I already have that?"

 

However, if we were to get a professional F-15C, we need a newer variant flanker too, like an SM. Why? Because shut up, that's why. RedFor needs a little love every now and then.

 

Yet they are making a new A-10C, for a total of 3 A-10s. We went from slow bomb truck, to faster bomb trucks, to a rehashed slow bomb truck. I've been playing this Sim since LoMAC, but didn't get in to MP until FC2, after a really long absence from the SIM. The SP experience has been way too sub-par to really be their bread and butter. Between lack of content, no dynamic campaign, and poor AI (ground and AI), they really do need to be focusing on MP. Everything about a Combat flight sim thrives on MP. It's not air-greyhound, where actual people wouldn't be incredibly different from drone traffic. I only buy modules in the context of how I can enjoy it with others. I only cared about the hornet as a Western SEAD platform, and the boat. Its nice to have a fully modeled radar, but it doesn't do Eagle things. You can't extend and reset in the Hornet, and can be killed from a 15-20nm rear aspect shot. The Viper makes up for that with better performance, but way less fuel and weapons. Strike Eagles are great, but they still get sent up with Charlie Eagles, because bomb truck. I'm otherwise on the fence when it comes to Razbam. MP needs real fighters for CAP, with all the bells and whistles. An air superiority platform for a company that focuses more on SP, would only serve to highlight deficiencies in the AIR AI suppose.

[Kula66]

No demand for a 15C because it was only A2A? ... I was disappointed to hear that too. Does anyone do heavy A2G in the 14?

[Oceandar]

No demand for a 15C because it was only A2A? ... I was disappointed to hear that too. Does anyone do heavy A2G in the 14?

Its hard to believe, isn't it ? Could it be the sales data based on FC3 F-15C ?

[blkspade]

No demand for a 15C because it was only A2A? ... I was disappointed to hear that too. Does anyone do heavy A2G in the 14?

 

Rarely after the original introduction, in my experience on our server and a couple others. They bring up the tomcat to chuck phoenixes, then might do A2G when the entire opposition has disconnected (because Air Superiority), or they just do carrier traps.

[blkspade]

Its hard to believe, isn't it ? Could it be the sales data based on FC3 F-15C ?

 

That would be a loaded metric. If most haven't just bought the full FC3 package, the rest are biased against the FC3 F-15 for not being full fidelity.

[bies]

+1

Personally I prefer single role fighters due to uncompromised performance advantage over multirole jacks of all trades, but masters of none.

 

BTW. When I think about that this way, probably the whole virtual squadron I fly with is interested in A-A only 90% of the time.

 

A-A in MP means ability to fight against human opponent who's trying to win, and A-G, as Bruce Lee said - bag won't hit back. :)

 

And in A-A department there was one and only fighter in XX century with 104/0 record, the fighter, light grey lightweight F-15A/C "not a single pound for air-to-ground".

Edited October 17, 2020 by bies

[draconus]

A-A in MP means ability to fight against human opponent who's trying to win, and A-G, as Bruce Lee said - bag won't hit back. :)

 

Valuable ground targets are usually protected by SAMs, manpads and AAA... but air superiority has to be established first.

Edited October 17, 2020 by draconus

[Seaeagle]

From the latest interview with ED

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=282292

(around 1h36m)

F-15C is not in plans as being a pure fighter make it a low demand product.

 

LOL....really?. I wonder why being a "pure fighter" is a disqualifying factor for the F-15C, while being a pure "mud-mover" clearly isn't for the A-10.

 

Yet another one of those bombastic claims, like there being no demand for a MiG-29 or Su-27 or any other Russian aircraft "in the west".

 

But I guess this explains the equally unfounded claim that the popularity of FC3 is merely down to "easy accessibility".....since all the fighters included in this apparently are "low demand products".

Edited October 17, 2020 by Seaeagle

[gavagai]

I'm all for a DCS F-15C. I can't wait to watch everyone over-g it to 12.5g and suffer structural failure. Where is my popcorn?

[mytai01]

From the latest interview with ED

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=282292

(around 1h36m)

F-15C is not in plans as being a pure fighter make it a low demand product.

 

The idea that the top US Fighter for several decades will be a low demand aircraft is a rich claim. Not everybody loves mud moving. The online user community engage in a lot of A2A engagements, so I have to disagree with this claim...