Video Card Rumours

[SkateZilla]

AMD's Press Conference is Tomorrow,

Expect under RTX4090 Performance, Power Draw, and Price.

Face it, while it's nice to have a Top Performance Flagship, for every one of them sold, 10-15 mainstream cards are sold, so there's no real loss in not going up to compete with the RTX4090 straight away, plus they are having QA and Design issues.

Save ~10-35%, for a performance drop of about 10% depending on model.
RX7900XT would go toe to toe with RTX4080 in everything except RayTracing, AMD is likely planning a RX7950XT as well to go up again the RTX4090,

Here's the Kicker, RX7900XT is already going to be a MCM, and it will launch to mainstream with some issues as drivers develop,
Lets say it launches well and issues are worked out, AMD now releases the RX7950XT/X to compete with the RTX4090, 

The Potential of Price, 3-4 Smaller Modules are cheaper per unit to fab than 1 RTX4090 AD102 GPU, being that they are smaller per wafer, the yields per tap are also significantly higher.

So AMD May be able to match rasterization with the RTX4090 at ~30% less cost depending on their TSMC Contract, remember, nVidia terminated their contract for RTX30, ran to Samsung to manufacture GA10x Samsung couldn't meet demands, and then nVidia came back to TSMC for RTX40, who gave them a new contract with higher rates due to the previous contract being terminated.

 

 

I can confirm the reference RX7900XT will use 2x ATX2.0 6+2 Pin Power Connectors, So significantly less power and heat. 375w Max (75w Slot, 2z 150w PCIe 8 Pin). Compared to nVidia's 550w+ Power Draw

Edited November 2, 2022 by SkateZilla

[EightyDuce]

Some "leaked" info on the upcoming RNDA3. This guy is usually pretty much on so while not official, should be solid info. 

 

Looking like 7900XT will be the 4080 alternative. 7900XTX will be closer to 4090 as a premium top dog. Seems they are leaving the XX50 for the refreshes. So 300w for 7900XT and 350w for 7900XTX from AMD; interesting part will be the 3x8-pin variants from AIBs which could potentially push to 500w. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by EightyDuce

[SkateZilla]

9 minutes ago, EightyDuce said:

Some "leaked" info on the upcoming RNDA3. This guy is usually pretty much on so while not official, should be solid info. 

 

Looking like 7900XT will be the 4080 alternative. 7900XTX will be closer to 4090 as a premium top dog. Seems they are leaving the XX50 for the refreshes. 

 

 

 

 

 

haha, he said PS5 sized card... lol.

[EightyDuce]

1 minute ago, SkateZilla said:

haha, he said PS5 sized card... lol.

I mean, while a bit facetious, he's not terribly far off with the comparison. Lol. 

I may have to take a pilgrimage up to NOVA and check out the micro center in Fairfax once X3D cpus and RDNA3 gpus hit. 

[exil]

Just as a side note. The RTX 4090 isnt drawing anything near 550w in DCS. I am roughly using 200 - 220 watts in DCS. Even less than my 3080.

But I am really curious to see the presentation of AMD too. After all, it all comes down at which price they will be sold. 

[Thinder]

On 11/2/2022 at 11:00 AM, SkateZilla said:

So AMD May be able to match rasterization with the RTX4090 at ~30% less cost depending on their TSMC Contract, remember, nVidia terminated their contract for RTX30, ran to Samsung to manufacture GA10x Samsung couldn't meet demands, and then nVidia came back to TSMC for RTX40,

 

Was that because of production volume or something else?

[SkateZilla]

1 hour ago, Thinder said:

Was that because of production volume or something else?

Samsung offered a cheaper contract, production and yields were not what was expected, Samsung also promised performance uplift by using their node, that also didnt happen.

18 hours ago, exil said:

Just as a side note. The RTX 4090 isnt drawing anything near 550w in DCS. I am roughly using 200 - 220 watts in DCS. Even less than my 3080.

But I am really curious to see the presentation of AMD too. After all, it all comes down at which price they will be sold. 

 

I was going by benchmark power consumption, right now, DCS is limited by the DX11 API and CPU Overhead, remove the bottleneck and the GPU will be utilized more.

[Thinder]

6 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

yields were not what was expected <---------->> Samsung also promised performance uplift by using their node, that also didnt happen.

That's what strikes me, I wonder which company can do better than Samsung in this field...

IMHO the lock might well be a lot more in the production area than yelds...

[SkateZilla]

Samsung marketed their 8NM as more efficient as TSMCs 7NM, that was not the case.

Well Yields affect Production, if you are only getting so many GPUs per wafer, due to bad yields, or the GPUs they put out have silicon issues that force them to be downclocked, etc, then yeah.

But even at 100% yields, they were not processing wafers quick enough.

Samsung should stick to memory and qualcom contracts, it's their money spot.

Edited November 3, 2022 by SkateZilla

[Thinder]

1 hour ago, SkateZilla said:

Samsung should stick to memory and qualcom contracts, it's their money spot.

I agree.

[EightyDuce]

Well, this should be interesting.

 

The XTX looking like a dang near-instant buy for me right now.

[Pilotasso]

wait for the reviews man, this is Ryzen 1000 series moment for the GPU's. Cheaper (not cheap) GPU's should equate to proportional performance VS NVIDIA, i.e. not winning, I suspect but lets see first.

[EightyDuce]

19 minutes ago, Pilotasso said:

wait for the reviews man, this is Ryzen 1000 series moment for the GPU's. Cheaper (not cheap) GPU's should equate to proportional performance VS NVIDIA, i.e. not winning, I suspect but lets see first.

No doubt on the reviews. That being said, if this beats the 4080,which if it doesn't I'm not sure what AMD is doing, then this is a win by default. 

[reece146]

Buddywhatshisname at Hardware Canucks did some "creative math" with the posted benchmarks of everything that is out there now against what AMD is saying about the 7900 XTX against the 6950XT... performance somewhere between 4080 and 4090 is the projection.

We'll see - sounds optimistic.

[Thinder]

What we need to know is what PSU, motherboard and CPUdo those cards need to run at 4K without issues, it's not just a case of buying a card a sticking it in a B450 slot...

[reece146]

Power rating of the biggest card is 350W. Not a big deal if you are already running RTX30something scale card already.

Edited November 4, 2022 by reece146

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

I would not jump instantly and wait for the benchmark for either MSFS or DCSW before choosing side. And AMD not saying much on performance does not sell me anyway.

Also, as a G2 enthusiast, I am waiting for G2 users telling me if this card works with the HWD too.

Oh, one more thing: if XTX turned out to be great, fingers crossed the supply by that time would not be horrible like the 4090 was, and still is.

Edited November 4, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[AngleOff66]

Possibly the first first burnt connector with native ATX3.0 cable

 

Looks like it was from same brand MSI and the same distributor.  MSI is asking for both back, looks to be replacing.

I think i read that some owners/users are reducing power on their cards.  Der8bauer showed that you can do this with minimal performance loss.

Maybe this is a one off.  But, if I had a 4090, I would power limit for sure.

Edited November 4, 2022 by AngleOff66

[Thinder]

I just secured a budget for either upgrade or new build.

For upgrade, from my GTX 1080Ti I'm looking at the RX 7900 XT, it fits my case with length of 276 mm and might be a better performer at 4K than the 6950XT.

All I want is a system that can play 4K VR at decent frame rates and setting, this looks like it.

The other upgrade will be increased RAM capacity (same GSkill B.Die 3200), probably a 128 GB kit since I need a 4 X 1 stick kit and I can't find those at 64 GB.

For VR headset I'm looking at the Pimax Crystal...

If I wanted a CPU upgrade, it would mean a new motherboard, not sure I need this right now just to get a 7600X, but the card requiering only 750 W is a nice touch, I don't need to upgrade my PSU yet...

[Pilotasso]

17 hours ago, reece146 said:

Power rating of the biggest card is 350W. Not a big deal if you are already running RTX30something scale card already.

 

 

I highly suspect AMD, unlike NVIDIA, will not reserve the best silicon for their own reference models only. The architecture can handle higher frequencies, therefore partners should be able to sort their chips bins to produce OC variants which may allow them approach 4090 levels of performance and watts too (just not ray tracing). This is very interesting. The only thing that can ruin this is bad drivers and stuttering due to higher latency from the communication between chips. Well see.

Edited November 4, 2022 by Pilotasso

[LucShep]

Coreteks seems to go against the current AMD hypetrain and presentes some interesting ramblings...
 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by LucShep

[Pilotasso]

^^^^I think this stems from the fact people have unrealistic expectations about the 2 cards that were unveiled, along with a mix of total speculation due to the fact AMD had not shown all the information during the unveil show, namely performance figures VS NVIDIA, OC ability and only 2 SKU's of the lineup. Everyone instantly assumed those were the top 2 cards but after the show an AMD tech rep said those are meant to compete with the 4080, NOT the 4090. See video below at 8:20

In light of this, and the performance uplift figures from last gen make perfect sense and to compete with NVIDIA.

If you watch the video below, you'll notice ASUS is the only AIB who has unveiled their version of the 7900XT and 7900XTX cards, both of which are limited to the Tuff editions. In that Video when the Strix Edition is mentioned, the rep's simply say they cannot not speak about it. Why was that?

My speculation: IMHO The only reason to keep that variant secret is because it is bespoke to a different SKU that AMD has not unveiled yet. Most likely the 7950XT that will be the card to compare with the 4090.

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Pilotasso

[cordite]

ASUS had Tuf and Strix variants of both the 6800xt and 6900xt last time.

 

I do hope there is a 7950xtx upcoming, but I would expect ASUS just isn't quite ready with 7900xt(x) Strix yet.

[EightyDuce]

4 hours ago, LucShep said:

Coreteks seems to go against the current AMD hypetrain and presentes some interesting ramblings...
 

 

While I agree with some (very few) of his points, such as the presentation being a bit cringe and the constant nods to "8k" (the only commonplace 8k I can think of is VR with 2x4k displays) ...by and large he makes some off the wall leaps and assumptions while mixing arguments.

People that have $1000 to spend on 7900XTX have enough money to buy 4090 to get the best. What?

I'm willing to spend upto $1000 and get the best card for that budget. I'm no where near willing to pay $1600 (if you're lucky to get msrp, 2000 in his area by his own admission) for a 4090. I'm not looking for the best, I'm looking for the best I can get for my $1000 budget; so are others.

Cost of 7900XTX being similar to that of 6900 XT at launch for small gains.... Per AMDs slides, performance increase is anywhere between 50-70%. That is not an insignificant amount. Then compares to Nvidia and says performance isn't as good. We'll no <profanity> sherlock, the only Nvidia card we have to compare to is 4090 and we already established that it's not the target. He seems to be mixing his own arguments. He then craps on power use saying that it doesn't matter and they should go for full send. While that's true for some, it's not for others. Electricity is expensive, you have to be able to cool it, and most of all, lastly just because it uses XXX amount of watts, doesn't mean you're getting a linear performance increase with wattage. Those interested in this should watch the video by Derbauer where to pumped nearly 1000 watts into the 4090 for negligible gain.

He then states that he spoke to some AIBs and they said they were only able to get about 3% more out of their cards. That seems very suspect, maybe on a 2x8pin version but some like Asus are launching 3x8pin models... That wouldn't make any sense at all to add 150w of headroom for 3% performance. Either he's blowing smoke or he is confused.

He then continues to crap on FSR. I don't know about you, but given the chance I will use FSR just as I use DLSS now, there's little to no reason not to (unless unavailable). Again, his argument seems a bit over the top. That's not to say that straight up raster performance doesn't matter, it absolutely does  and I do agree that they should include FSR/DLSS numbers as well as raw.

He keeps parroting that 7900XTX is a fail then says it will likely be 10% faster than a 4080 which has an MSRP of $1200...I don't know about his math, but by my math 10% more performance for 17% less money doesn't strike me as a fail.

Also keeps hammering that AMD isn't showing any actual numbers but then goes to say that 7900XTX is a bad value at $1000. Based on what?

Anyway, I'm sure he said something else but after slugging through half the video I couldn't give it any more of my time due to exhaustion of doing mental gymstastics trying to follow his disjointed arguments based on pure speculation.

The whole video just came across like a clown-fest to try and get clicks/views.

I guess our questions will be answered in December. Can't wait

 

P.S. Sorry for any and all bad grammar, typing on my phone. 

[SkateZilla]

I foresee a 7900XTX 2X (dual Navi31s on infinity fabric)