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[Gambit21]

Akagi

 

 

[upyr1]

On 3/3/2021 at 4:28 PM, Snapage said:

Can't have carrier battles without a Japanese carrier fleet.

I would like to see enough ships to do a full task group for both sides.

I believe the ideal was 4 carriers though 6 was also possible

2 fast battleships. 

4 to 6 cruisers

12 to 24 destroyers 

 

[Andrew8604]

16 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I would like to see enough ships to do a full task group for both sides.

I believe the ideal was 4 carriers though 6 was also possible

2 fast battleships. 

4 to 6 cruisers

12 to 24 destroyers 

 

Enough to somewhat replicate "Battle of Midway" and "Battle of Philippine Sea" scenarios.  The Marianna's map can provide the setting well enough.  But a 1942-era Midway map would be good, too...nothing but the Midway Islands and as many hundreds of miles(km) of open ocean as can be accommodated.  That's just gotta be faster to produce than Marianna's was!!  Well, there are a few other tiny uninhabited islands within a 400-nm radius of Midway...probably just sand.  So, 800nm across the map, if possible.  The main purpose for the large expanse of ocean is to emphasize the difficulty in finding the opposing battle group.  Perhaps this map could provide for some advanced weather modeling, too...with towering cumulous thunderstorms and rain squalls...and high, mid and low layers of clouds.  Another aspect might be carrier flight deck management.  Carriers generally had to have their aircraft moved around and "spotted" on the deck for launch vs. recovery.

 

I think this carrier sea-battle could be done pretty well with...

On the USN side:

The Yorktown class carrier  (Essex-class carrier already being made)

Two classes of heavy cruiser:  New Orleans-class (early: for Yorktown) and Baltimore-class (late: for Essex)

Two classes of light cruiser:  Brooklyn-class (early: for Yorktown) and Cleveland-class (late: for Essex)

Two classes of destroyer:  Fletcher-class (early: for Yorktown) and Sumner-class (late: for Essex)

North Carolina-class and South Dakota-class battleship (if users opt to use them, mainly for Essex-class carrier groups).  Older battleships were too slow to operate with a carrier battlegroup.  At the Battle of Midway, the USN had no battleships available.

 

On the IJN side:  (The difficult part, as IJN had several one-off carriers that varied considerably in design.)

Carriers:  Maybe just concentrate on a couple of these 6 designs: Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku-class and Unryu-class carriers.

Heavy cruiser: Myoko-class, Takao-class and/or Mogami-class

Light cruiser:  Agano-class

Destroyers (there were about 17 classes).  How about just:  Fubuki-class (24 built), and the "Type-A" classes; Kagero-class (19 built) and Yugumo-class (19 built)?

Yamato-class battleship (everyone's going to want this) and Kongo-class battle-cruiser.  These were the faster battleships that might escort carrier groups.

 

Of course, we users could mix and match as we wish.

 

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, Andrew8604 said:

Enough to somewhat replicate "Battle of Midway" and "Battle of Philippine Sea" scenarios.  The Marianna's map can provide the setting well enough.  But a 1942-era Midway map would be good, too...nothing but the Midway Islands and as many hundreds of miles(km) of open ocean as can be accommodated.  That's just gotta be faster to produce than Marianna's was!!  Well, there are a few other tiny uninhabited islands within a 400-nm radius of Midway...probably just sand.  So, 800nm across the map, if possible.  The main purpose for the large expanse of ocean is to emphasize the difficulty in finding the opposing battle group. 

We will need the F4F and Zero for Midway. I would love the SBD.  Also I think a map called mid ocean would be cool. It would be nothing but ocean.

 

1 hour ago, Andrew8604 said:

 

Perhaps this map could provide for some advanced weather modeling, too...with towering cumulous thunderstorms and rain squalls...and high, mid and low layers of clouds.  Another aspect might be carrier flight deck management.  Carriers generally had to have their aircraft moved around and "spotted" on the deck for launch vs. recovery.

 

I think this carrier sea-battle could be done pretty well with...

On the USN side:

The Yorktown class carrier  (Essex-class carrier already being made)

Two classes of heavy cruiser:  New Orleans-class (early: for Yorktown) and Baltimore-class (late: for Essex)

Two classes of light cruiser:  Brooklyn-class (early: for Yorktown) and Cleveland-class (late: for Essex)

Two classes of destroyer:  Fletcher-class (early: for Yorktown) and Sumner-class (late: for Essex)

North Carolina-class and South Dakota-class battleship (if users opt to use them, mainly for Essex-class carrier groups). 

Don't forgot the Iowa-class battleships. With a little bit modification you could get cover Korea, Vietnam and Desert Storm. I also think some cvls and cves would be nice. 

1 hour ago, Andrew8604 said:

Older battleships were too slow to operate with a carrier battlegroup.  At the Battle of Midway, the USN had no battleships available.

The old battleships were tasked with protecting convoys and shore bombardment. So they would be quiet useful on the Normandy map.

1 hour ago, Andrew8604 said:

On the IJN side:  (The difficult part, as IJN had several one-off carriers that varied considerably in design.)

Carriers:  Maybe just concentrate on a couple of these 6 designs: Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku-class and Unryu-class carriers.

Heavy cruiser: Myoko-class, Takao-class and/or Mogami-class

Light cruiser:  Agano-class

Destroyers (there were about 17 classes).  How about just:  Fubuki-class (24 built), and the "Type-A" classes; Kagero-class (19 built) and Yugumo-class (19 built)?

Yamato-class battleship (everyone's going to want this) and Kongo-class battle-cruiser.  These were the faster battleships that might escort carrier groups.

 

Of course, we users could mix and match as we wish.

 

Some British and commonwealth ships would be nice too. 

[rkk01]

So, we have a number of battleship and cruiser mods which could be used for shore bombardment…

 

Does anyone know if / how these can be tasked to fire on shore targets in the ME?

eg, how to task to fire on targets of opportunity?

[AG-51_Razor]

4 hours ago, rkk01 said:

So, we have a number of battleship and cruiser mods which could be used for shore bombardment…

 

Does anyone know if / how these can be tasked to fire on shore targets in the ME?

eg, how to task to fire on targets of opportunity?

Lay down their waypoints that would bring them within range of the shore target and then, under "Advanced Waypoint Commands" give them a "Fire at Point" command and drag the pointer over to the target. You can give each ship multiple points to fire on and even adjust their accuracy. Unfortunately, they will not fire on any "targets of opportunity" unless they can see them

Edited October 12, 2021 by AG-51_Razor
Clarification

[rkk01]

10 minutes ago, AG-51_Razor said:

Lay down their waypoints that would bring them within range of the shore target and then, under "Advanced Waypoint Commands" give them a "Fire at Point" command and drag the pointer over to the target.

Yes, I’ve used that for V1s - but the incoming fire always seems to land on the exact designated point…

 

I guess what I’m trying to figure out is whether the ships (or arty, or any other units etc) will fire on enemy units as they become active… if we want to get really into this it would be something like an FAC or forward observer to call in fire support

 

ETA @AG-51_Razor just seen your edits

Edited October 12, 2021 by rkk01

[rkk01]

Pacific, or Atlantic….

…. either way, room for these
 

Edited October 13, 2021 by rkk01

[Devil 505]

Cant wait for the day of a destroyer or PT module 

[Callsign112]

22 hours ago, Devil 505 said:

Cant wait for the day of a destroyer or PT module 

+1

[Devil 505]

I am really hoping for a modern day version of this in DCS world some day at the ED level.  It would be beyond fun for multiplayer and take full advantage of the maps we have now.

 

[upyr1]

The Texas would be awesome too 

[Silver_Dragon]

The number os WW2 assets on axis and alied has only prohibitive (on numbers). I need continue update de vacant models.

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[Devil 505]

Would love to see the Battleship Texas in DCS. AI or module.  It would mean a lot to me as I have a personal connection with her.  Grandfather saved her from hitting a mine during WW2 and I grew up around her here in Texas since I was able to walk.  It would be an honor to see her fight in DCS.  

[upyr1]

On 2/24/2022 at 6:09 PM, Devil 505 said:

Would love to see the Battleship Texas in DCS. AI or module.  It would mean a lot to me as I have a personal connection with her.  Grandfather saved her from hitting a mine during WW2 and I grew up around her here in Texas since I was able to walk.  It would be an honor to see her fight in DCS.  

We need the Texas she was in part of the D-day invasion fleet and in the Pascific she was task group 54.1 

Rear Admiral Morton L. Deyo in battleship Tennessee

Unit One (Rear Admiral Peter K. Fischler)
2 old battleships: Texas, Maryland
1 heavy cruiser: Tuscaloosa
4 Fletcher-class destroyers (5 x 5 in. main battery): Laws, Longshaw, Morrison, Prichett

[upyr1]

How about the uss Alaska?

[Bowie]

On 6/27/2021 at 8:36 AM, AG-51_Razor said:

You are correct in regards to the Corsair's deployment aboard CVEs during WWII. However, towards the end, the Navy was in dire need of more fighters at sea to help protect the fleet against the threat posed by the Kamikaze so a plan was hatched to embark Marine Corsairs aboard CVEs to provide their own close air support for the invasion forces, freeing up the Navy squadrons for air defense. It turned out that the Corsairs were rarely used for the CAS role because of their superiority as a fighter - much to the Marines' disappointment and frustration. It was during the Korean war that Marine Corsair squadrons began operating regularly from CVEs against the communist forces ashore throughout that conflict.

VMF-511, embarked aboard the USS Block Island:

 

[Bowie]

To support '44-'45 Corsairs on Essex class carriers in the PTO:

CVL-Independence class

CA-Baltimore class

CL-Cleveland class

CL(AA)-Atlanta/Oakland class

DD-Fletcher class

DD-Allen M. Sumner class

 

 

 

 

Bowie

 

[AG-51_Razor]

Bowie, as much as I truly appreciate your thoughts on additional ships to support the Essex class CV that is going to accompany the F4U-1D Corsair, I would amend it by replacing the Independance class CVL's with CVE's. All of the CVLs operated smaller air groups consisting of Hellcats and Avengers, neither of which we have yet in DCS, while the CVE's could have had Corsairs operating from them. The other reason for using the Jeep carriers in lieu of the Light Carriers is that they were used extensively during the Korean War with Corsairs embarked. These, along with the Essex class carrier would fit right into a Korean War scenario with the Corsair. One would just have to use their imagination to pretend that the Hawg they were flying was actually a -4 or -4B instead of the -1D. 

[upyr1]

20 hours ago, AG-51_Razor said:

Bowie, as much as I truly appreciate your thoughts on additional ships to support the Essex class CV that is going to accompany the F4U-1D Corsair, I would amend it by replacing the Independance class CVL's with CVE's. All of the CVLs operated smaller air groups consisting of Hellcats and Avengers, neither of which we have yet in DCS, while the CVE's could have had Corsairs operating from them. The other reason for using the Jeep carriers in lieu of the Light Carriers is that they were used extensively during the Korean War with Corsairs embarked. These, along with the Essex class carrier would fit right into a Korean War scenario with the Corsair. One would just have to use their imagination to pretend that the Hawg they were flying was actually a -4 or -4B instead of the -1D. 

Those are good arguments for starting with the CVEs but let's get the Hellcat and Avenger to fix the cvl problem. I figure include the Enterprise and a map with Midway 

 

 

 

[upyr1]

On 5/28/2023 at 5:34 PM, Bowie said:

CL-Cleveland class

If we get the Cleveland-class I hope we get the USS Oklahoma city and Eagle or whoever does it also gets the cold-war Galveston class. All 3 Galveston-class guided missile cruisers were converted Clevelands. The Oklahoma City holds the distinction of being the first ship to fire a missile at a land target in combat. She fired Terrier missiles that had been converted into ARMs at North Vietnamese air defenses 

[Bowie]

On 5/29/2023 at 3:08 PM, AG-51_Razor said:

Bowie, as much as I truly appreciate your thoughts on additional ships to support the Essex class CV that is going to accompany the F4U-1D Corsair, I would amend it by replacing the Independance class CVL's with CVE's. All of the CVLs operated smaller air groups consisting of Hellcats and Avengers, neither of which we have yet in DCS, while the CVE's could have had Corsairs operating from them. The other reason for using the Jeep carriers in lieu of the Light Carriers is that they were used extensively during the Korean War with Corsairs embarked. These, along with the Essex class carrier would fit right into a Korean War scenario with the Corsair. One would just have to use their imagination to pretend that the Hawg they were flying was actually a -4 or -4B instead of the -1D. 

TTBoMK - only:

USS Block Island         (CVE-106) VMF(CVS)-511/VMTB(CVS)-233
USS Gilbert Islands     (CVE-107) VMF(CVS)-512/VMTB(CVS)-143
USS Cape Gloucester (CVE-109) VMF(CVS)-351/VMTB(CVS)-132

Made it into the theater before the end of the war, w/ USS Block Island and USS Gilbert Islands joining middle for ICEBERG, and then OBOE VI.

Whereas almost every CTG from NOV44 onward had at least one CVL, and generally two.

While the idea of operating the F4U from a CVE is exciting, it did not really mature until Korea.

 

 

Bowie

[352ndDeacon]

Do any of Hawkeye’s carrier mods work in the latest versions?

[Rakkis]

Well Gentlemen,

I regret to inform you I did not win the $1.55 Billion Dollar Mega Millions Lottery, so I will not be able to start a 3rd Party Module Development Company to bring the OS2U Kingfisher and the North Carolina, Baltimore, and Cleveland Class Ships to launch her from to DCS. 

Apologies.

[352ndDeacon]

You may want to look at some of the older ship mods and put them into your Saved Games/DCS/Mods/tech folder and then see if you can access them in the ME.