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When and Where was it ever posted that the sim is de-rated per agreement with the government and/or the manufacturer?

 

Never, Wags mentioned something with the Hornet, but nothing that I know of on the A-10C has been 'de-rated' some things were left out and not modelled with the agreement, but that's it.

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When and Where was it ever posted that the sim is de-rated per agreement with the government and/or the manufacturer?

 

There are posts about it on the forums. I can't recall which ones or where they are, but a part of ED's agreement with the manufacturer apparently doesn't allow them to exactly model the A-10.

 

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There are posts about it on the forums. I can't recall which ones or where they are, but a part of ED's agreement with the manufacturer apparently doesn't allow them to exactly model the A-10.

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Guys, make sure the internal testing numbers corresponds to the front-end gauges numbers and visually confirm, if the FM is tested with other tools bypassing the cockpit, it wouldn't reveal a possible issue with just the gauges properly corresponding. If there's a gauge that has an issue like this, it can make so much trouble for everyone and we would argue forever.

 

There should be some kind of a setup where all the gauges in the cockpit view are all presented on multi-monitors visually and also numbers when the team does the FM tests, or some similar setup, so both can be compared in real-time. There has to be a tool that plots all the performance data to a timeline chart ... and another separately for the final gauge values, a discrepancy must not exist. A simple program could monitor all of this for discrepancy in real-time and show a giant warning when a discrepancy is detected in any of the gauges/stats.

 

For statistical and benchmarking purposes, perhaps it's possible by modders/users to use the DCS scripting API to get a report dumped to a text (or otherwise) file from all the A-10 gauges, perhaps TacView already does this, kinda like "black box" data or "telemetry".

 

I don't have DCS installed currently so I can't check right now.

 

This is speculation ofcourse, I don't know how stuff is really wired under the hood, but it's best to leave no stone unturned.

 

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There are posts about it on the forums. I can't recall which ones or where they are, but a part of ED's agreement with the manufacturer apparently doesn't allow them to exactly model the A-10.

 

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This is only with regard to systems modeling. AFAIK there are no restrictions on flight modeling, there is no way you can "nerf" a flight model. I mean you could do it, but even small discrepancies can, and usually do break the entire FM. I mean Eagle Dynamics might not have the most accurate or up to date data, which is why SMEs like like Habu are important to fill in the gaps.

 

As for the whole terrorists breaking in on an airbase and stealing an A10C, well that's just too many hollywood movies dude. The biggest threat is corporate and government espionage, with no "material" theft involved.

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Also good catch on the Motor Switch and Fuel Flow Override stuff being modelled good, along with the overall engine stuff, this is important for Damage Model eventually so it'll have to be looked into one or another, it's critical to the in-flight recovery stuff and that whole part of damage resistance and survivability to RTB for repairs, this no dobut affects gameplay in a long term dynamic mission, and that's the kind of stuff I find so interesting, that's partially a major reason why A-10C is still my favourite.

 

I don't care if even bigger than original work needs to be done on A-10C 2, I'm ready to pay for it what's necessary, I want them go all crazy on the damage model for A-10C :devil: , because A-10C is exactly that kind of an airplane with such potential and we should use it to it's fullest potential !!!

But the raw damage model is one thing, the systems, gauges, alarms, warnings, buttons and beeps all have to respond and be in sync so it's all dynamic and your even slightest things affect the way damage spreads/affects the aircraft, edge cases should be covered, that's the magic of it!


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When and Where was it ever posted that the sim is de-rated per agreement with the government and/or the manufacturer?

 

Wags said that DCS F-18 flight model is altered compared to the real one to protect real life operations of the aircraft. It's not unreasonable to assume that flight models of other DCS products are altered as well. I mean, why would you protect F-18 flight model, but not protect A-10 or F-16 flight models, both aircraft being in active service?

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Just remember, It's still a "simulation" of IRL.

 

ED can only go so far as per $ / time and could theoretically work on it forever.

 

Even million dollar mil's sims are still not quite right compared to IRL.

Are ED's models the best in PC simming (Yes) Still good enough to be a D level sims.

 

 

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I would like to offer a different perspective;

 

I bought a new pc, warthog hotas and the whole shebang to fly the hog back in 2017. Unfortunately shortly after that I got shipped out to out of nowhere for work, and I did not have time for DCS until the epidemic..

 

ED kept the module and the base sim updated while I was taking time off from DCS. It received a new cockpit, new sounds and more.. I think they held their end of the bargain pretty good.

 

Re; flight performance--It is great news that they are re-analyzing and they have a real A10 pilot to help them now.

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The summary obviously can never be as good as the video can show the context and stuff, RDR ALT switch is missing from the summary, what about other people who haven't seen this thread, it's about them testing it out and confirming commenting on that, I'm sure someone else who's responsible for A-10C would want to see it.

 

I usually don't delete anything unless it's terribly wrong or obsolete, this doesn't feel like it. I put my old obsolete or wrong test videos on unlisted (not private) for example, so they don't mess with new users, but when someone's been part of a topic deeply and suddenly can't check back on something to remember how it went then it's just more confusion IMO.

 

Must be a mistake. If the comments were the problem, why not just disable them?

 

Perhaps that's just my philosophy, infact part of my DCS hiatus is because i have around 12 TBs of data I need to sort and archive, only a fraction is being erased, I'm pretty serious on data preservation I guess, I can remember so many times I was extremely upset when I couldn't find something from back 3-4 years ago, even if it's just for reference when talking on another topic, another time I forgot to save source code to my VS projects because they were saved in Program Files for some reason, I guess if a person never has such an experience you don't tend to ever develop a serious data retention habit.

 

I'm not saying this is of that importantce, but you know, the internet is full of garbage these days, screaming and yelling and impatience, this was just a well made video, no weird microphone imbalances, just loved it, I listened to it three times just for the fun of it :)

 

Good thing there is Google Takeout, I think it should retain the original copy of the original video even on deleted videos, I've done it a few times, but the last time was a bit back so I forgot.


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Hello all,

 

 

Just to be clear to everyone, the video was very positively received by ED and I was given the opportunity to describe each point in my summary slide in good detail with key members. All bugs, and then a few that I forgot to address in the slide and video, have been noted. I'm really happy to see how DCS: A-10C II turns out with these improvements, let alone the new stuff. For full disclosure, I've brought up the following additional items:

 

 

-IFF Panel default switch settings at startup

-Fuel Flows Override additional thrust

-Gun Dispersion

-Default MFD setups

-Default CCIP Gun Cross vs. Reticle

-TGP Mask Zone too aggressive

 

 

I must admit that I am a very private person as far as my participation in the community is concerned, and I decided to put the video on private for this reason only. It achieved its purpose, and a lot of good came out of it. My intent for my participation here is to improve upon the essential parts of a sim that is dear to me, and I hope you all understand. Hopefully my next topic is a Bactria sequel with the new DCS: A-10C II!

 

Habu


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Hello all,

 

 

Just to be clear to everyone, the video was very positively received by ED and I was given the opportunity to describe each point in my summary slide in good detail with key members. All bugs, and then a few that I forgot to address in the slide and video, have been noted. I'm really happy to see how DCS: A-10C II turns out with these improvements, let alone the new stuff. For full disclosure, I've brought up the following additional items:

 

 

-IFF Panel default switch settings at startup

-Fuel Flows Override additional thrust

-Gun Dispersion

-Default MFD setups

-Default CCIP Gun Cross vs. Reticle

-TGP Mask Zone too aggressive

 

 

I must admit that I am a very private person as far as my participation in the community is concerned, and I decided to put the video on private for this reason only. It achieved its purpose, and a lot of good came out of it. My intent for my participation here is to improve upon the essential parts of a sim that is dear to me, and I hope you all understand. Hopefully my next topic is a Bactria sequel with the new DCS: A-10C II!

 

Habu

 

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Thank you for your input Habu, I'm sure the module will be great. I'm looking forward to it :D

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Hopefully my next topic is a Bactria sequel with the new DCS: A-10C II!

 

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This is the quote I’ve been waiting for! I still play Op BACTRIA, going in and fixing things that go awry with various updates (the new Caucuses map took a fair bit of work). I hope you’re glad to hear that mission is still alive and well! When you start work on your new mission, I’d be happy to help with VOs or anything else you need, since I’ve gotten so much play out of the original it’s the least I can do to give back.

 

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I bet it was because of him saying that the current A-10C doesn't fly anything near as pig as the one in DCS. Bad constructive feedback from good source = breaks all the forum rules.

 

You do realize that 1) we(ED) didn't delete it, and 2) he explains above why it was deleted. Really, stop now.

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Hello all,

 

 

Just to be clear to everyone, the video was very positively received by ED and I was given the opportunity to describe each point in my summary slide in good detail with key members. All bugs, and then a few that I forgot to address in the slide and video, have been noted. I'm really happy to see how DCS: A-10C II turns out with these improvements, let alone the new stuff. For full disclosure, I've brought up the following additional items:

 

 

-IFF Panel default switch settings at startup

-Fuel Flows Override additional thrust

-Gun Dispersion

-Default MFD setups

-Default CCIP Gun Cross vs. Reticle

-TGP Mask Zone too aggressive

 

 

I must admit that I am a very private person as far as my participation in the community is concerned, and I decided to put the video on private for this reason only. It achieved its purpose, and a lot of good came out of it. My intent for my participation here is to improve upon the essential parts of a sim that is dear to me, and I hope you all understand. Hopefully my next topic is a Bactria sequel with the new DCS: A-10C II!

 

Habu

 

Thank you for you inputs and help! Looking forward to the V2.0 :D

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Hello all,

 

 

Just to be clear to everyone, the video was very positively received by ED and I was given the opportunity to describe each point in my summary slide in good detail with key members. All bugs, and then a few that I forgot to address in the slide and video, have been noted. I'm really happy to see how DCS: A-10C II turns out with these improvements, let alone the new stuff. For full disclosure, I've brought up the following additional items:

 

 

-IFF Panel default switch settings at startup

-Fuel Flows Override additional thrust

-Gun Dispersion

-Default MFD setups

-Default CCIP Gun Cross vs. Reticle

-TGP Mask Zone too aggressive

 

 

I must admit that I am a very private person as far as my participation in the community is concerned, and I decided to put the video on private for this reason only. It achieved its purpose, and a lot of good came out of it. My intent for my participation here is to improve upon the essential parts of a sim that is dear to me, and I hope you all understand. Hopefully my next topic is a Bactria sequel with the new DCS: A-10C II!

 

Habu

 

Job well done your input is very much appreciated!

 

 

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As a general rule, when someone deletes stuff himself it's still possible he got pressured or paid. And it is a bit funny that it got removed as soon as there were dumbster fires rising on the comments. But to be fair, there are larger fires than that with no oppresive actions taken, even on your own forums.

 

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