A-10C Suite nomenclature

[Eldur]

The FAQ reads:

 

What happens to my original A-10C if I buy the upgrade?

 

It will still be available to use as you remember it today (with addition fixes of course). You will still be able to use all the content and such you had before, you will simply have another module called the A-10C II in the game to use.

 

Wouldn't it be so much wiser to rename the old A-10C to A-10C Suite 3 and the new one to A-10C Suite whatever? While writing that, what exact Suite is the new one anyway?

[AvroLanc]

The FAQ reads:

 

 

 

Wouldn't it be so much wiser to rename the old A-10C to A-10C Suite 3 and the new one to A-10C Suite whatever? While writing that, what exact Suite is the new one anyway?

 

That’s the problem, neither version represents a specific suite. That’s ok I guess, but the old one is a mix of 3 and 5, while not feature complete to either. The new A10 has elements of suite 5 and probably 7? When did APKWS get added?

Edited September 19, 2020 by AvroLanc

[nessuno0505]

What will happen to people that will buy a-10c II as their first a-10? Will they see two modules, a-10c and a-10c II?

[Swift.]

What will happen to people that will buy a-10c II as their first a-10? Will they see two modules, a-10c and a-10c II?

 

yes

[Faelwolf]

Yep, you get both. I think it's mainly out of concern for backwards compatibility with old missions, though in time I don't think we will see V.I get much use other than nostalgia or period specific missions.

[nessuno0505]

Why two different modules instead of a single module with two options, such as l-39c and l-39za? That's a weird choice...

[Swift.]

Why two different modules instead of a single module with two options, such as l-39c and l-39za? That's a weird choice...

 

What do you mean? Once it releases, hog1 will be removed from the store, so when you buy hog2 you get both. Single module, two options.

[nessuno0505]

So am I going to see the 2 a-10cs as two separate modules or two versions of the same module? Not in the store, but in my dcs installation.

[QuiGon]

So am I going to see the 2 a-10cs as two separate modules or two versions of the same module? Not in the store, but in my dcs installation.

There will be two seperate aircraft. The old module will still only contain the old aircraft, while the new module will contain both aircraft AFAIK.

[Swift.]

So am I going to see the 2 a-10cs as two separate modules or two versions of the same module? Not in the store, but in my dcs installation.

 

It should look the same way that C101CC and C101EB look, or Spitfire CW and non CW, or any other two part module in DCS. Those all appear as two modules in the game, but you only purchase a single item in the shop.

[BIGNEWY]

two seperate aircraft in the editor and module manager.

 

We have to accommodate users who do not wish to upgrade also.

 

thank you

[Sierra99]

There will be two seperate aircraft. The old module will still only contain the old aircraft, while the new module will contain both aircraft AFAIK.

 

They are two seperate aircraft and two seperate modules. If you own the A-10C module and upgrade, you will download and install a complete A-10C II module.

 

Once the A-10C II is released, it will be the only "A-10" available for new players to purchase.

 

The "Legacy" A-10C will cease to exist except for players who already own it.

[oreste]

Now I'm really worried: will they make a version 2 for all the other modules too?

[mr_mojo97]

Why on earth would you be worried about it? IIRC ED originally had a contract with the US ANG which was for the A-10C Suite 3. After some years the ANG then requested an update to the Suite 5 or whatever. So ED didn't have the authority to build a module that was outwith their contract.

That's why they are keeping the legacy version. So if people already own the original but don't want to upgrade they can without issue. It just means you can't buy the original, but you'll be getting it for free with the new version. Everyone's a winner.

[nessuno0505]

Once the A-10C II is released, it will be the only "A-10" available for new players to purchase.

 

The "Legacy" A-10C will cease to exist except for players who already own it.

 

The first sentence is true, the second one is not what has been said: if a new customer will buy a-10c II, he should have two modules, a-10c and a-10c II. A-10c Is not "legacy" as an airplane, it's so only as a module for sale. That's what I've understood, but please ED clarify.

[=4c=Nikola]

Now I'm really worried: will they make a version 2 for all the other modules too?

 

Of course they will. As technology advances, they will revise old modules to enable new features, and as aircraft get older, they will become more and more declassified, so we might get better simulated systems.

[SkateZilla]

They are two seperate aircraft and two seperate modules. If you own the A-10C module and upgrade, you will download and install a complete A-10C II module.

 

Once the A-10C II is released, it will be the only "A-10" available for new players to purchase.

 

The "Legacy" A-10C will cease to exist except for players who already own it.

 

Legacy A-10C is included in A-10C II.

[Snoopy]

Neither version is a pure or correct suite so it wouldn’t be right to call either one a specific suite number.

[Faelwolf]

I just think of it as suite DCS-I or DCS-II :)

There are always going to be classified systems that we can't have in the sim that belong to a certain suite. ED is cherry picking what they can to give us as much as possible, but even then certain parts of the systems we do get are also missing for security or contract reasons. It's still the best you're going to get for an A10C sim, and a far cry from the old "A10 Tank Killer" days, for sure.

Personally, I don't want certain hostile individuals to know the full capabilities of the A-10C, and especially it's vulnerabilities and limitations. So I am quite happy to let those sleeping dogs lie.

[Worrazen]

There will be two seperate aircraft. The old module will still only contain the old aircraft, while the new module will contain both aircraft AFAIK.

 

Yeah that was my idea too, but I didn't saw it confirmed. It should make sense, given that the new module is full price plus 10$ over.

 

Whatever the fair price would be going forward, the new module should contain the old aircraft just so that it encourages better usage and doesn't split the userbase including bias in MP where the old version would be forgotten by server admins and mappers, that probably should be avoided at all costs. Secondly so a player would be more easily be all-set to try one wonderful sunday "hey how did it look back then with an older suite" rather than having to separately purchase it, which IMO would need more direct focus from the player and to have that "historical sense" to purposelly go out and look for it and decide to buy it specifically for that purpose, there may be less amount of people who would do that, bundling with a bit of a higher price may not be that much when it comes to full price so it may be digestable for most.

 

I know it's one of those areas well if you're *not* going to use it why pay it ... but, it's more of a let's all support each other, same thing goes with other moduled that I do not use that much (yet) but still buy in order to support DCS in general.

[Northstar98]

The FAQ reads:

 

Wouldn't it be so much wiser to rename the old A-10C to A-10C Suite 3 and the new one to A-10C Suite whatever? While writing that, what exact Suite is the new one anyway?

 

You could say the same thing about naming in general in DCS, like which SA-2 and SA-3 version we have.

 

But yes, I'd much prefer to have say A-10C Suite X, or if that isn't suitable, A-10C and the year it's supposed to represent in parentheses or something - A-10C (20xx)

[Kev2go]

That’s the problem, neither version represents a specific suite. That’s ok I guess, but the old one is a mix of 3 and 5, while not feature complete to either. The new A10 has elements of suite 5 and probably 7? When did APKWS get added?

 

Given the scorpion HMCS this would be a suite 7B at the very least.

[EasyEB]

Not to be that guy but what does the name matter? It’s only visible in the editor and right before a mission?

 

With that said I think it should be called A-10C Laser Disco.

[Snoopy]

Given the scorpion HMCS this would be a suite 7B at the very least.

 

Like I’ve already said the current A-10C and what we are getting in version 2 aren’t pure suites so to call them suite anything wouldn’t be accurate.

 

Not to be that guy but what does the name matter? It’s only visible in the editor and right before a mission?

 

Agree

[mongo52]

With that said I think it should be called A-10C Laser Disco.

Will the ball hang from one of the mirrors?