Mi-24 NAV & Targeting system capabilities

[CoBlue]

Same as in the next video (starting at 4:30).

 

In the video when shooting rockets the pilot's site isn't gyro-stabilized? This looks very "simplistic", like in Mi-8. I was under the impression pilot's sight for rockets/cannon is more advanced?

[S.E.Bulba]

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In the video when shooting rockets the pilot's site isn't gyro-stabilized? This looks very "simplistic", like in Mi-8. I was under the impression pilot's sight for rockets/cannon is more advanced?

Do you mean the ASP-17V gunsight? Yes, these points were discussed on Russian forums. There is an assumption that the pilot shoots without an ATsVU analog-digital computing device in manual mode (the range is set to '0'). In this firing mode, the ASP-17V operates as a conventional gyro gunsight, and nevertheless there are indeed questions about the implementation of the gunsight gyrostabilization by the "AVIA", Ltd.

 

Original in Russian

 

Вы имеете в виду прицел АСП-17В? Да, эти моменты обсуждалось на русскоязычных форумах. Есть предположение, что пилот стреляет без аналого-цифрового вычислительного устройства АЦВУ в ручном режиме (установка дальности выставлена на «0»). В этом режиме стрельбы АСП-17В работает как обычный гироскопический прицел, и тем не менее к реализации гиростабилизации прицела от НПО «АВИА» действительно есть вопросы.

 

[Tippis]

 

I kinda expect that to be possible in DCS as well. I mean we already have the Garmin NS430 in the sim.

 

That would be nice. Any reason for them to actually complete the NS430, or just make it… well… work, would be nice.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Tippis
…because apparently, these new forums don't support Unicode.

[CoBlue]

RL Map display:

[Cdodders]

Will the Hind we get in DCS be Night capable?

[Lucas_From_Hell]

It does not have any IR or LLLTV camera, but its navigation system does allow for flying in IMC. As for night attack, you'll be relying on SAB-100 candle bombs or S-8M illumination rockets to light up the area before attacking. If they decide to add NVGs, you'll also be able to attack visually.

[Dragon1-1]

Actually, it kinda-sorta does have IR... namely the R-60. :) I'm not sure whether this particular model does, but I've heard stories of Hind crews in Afghan that loaded up an R-60 in order to detect Taliban driving their trucks at night with the lights off. Not sure how well it worked in practice, and if the Mi-24P in particular can carry the weapon (I know German Hinds could), but this seems like a fun thing to try. :)

[Northstar98]

As for night attack, you'll be relying on SAB-100 candle bombs or S-8M illumination rockets to light up the area before attacking. If they decide to add NVGs, you'll also be able to attack visually.

 

Hmm, AFAIK illumination warheads for the S-5 and S-8 series aren't present yet in DCS (S-5-O/O1, S-8 O/OM), I wonder if they'll be coming.

 

 

[Lucas_From_Hell]

The S-8OM is present on the Ka-50 for sure, I used them a few days ago. They can be a bit cumbersome for self-illuminaton because the illumination time is somewhat short, but if you're working in teams that's not an issue. If you want to give them a go, the combat employment section of the manual has a paragraph dedicated to firing parameters.

[S.E.Bulba]

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The S-8OM is present on the Ka-50 for sure, I used them a few days ago…

IIRC, the S-8OM illuminating rockets have been used in the DCS: Black Shark since its release in 2008.

 

Original in Russian

 

ЕМНИП, осветительные ракеты С-8ОМ использовались в DCS: Чёрная Акула начиная с момента её релиза в 2008 году.

 

[Northstar98]

Ahh, indeed they are; looks like a certain someone is having some brain issues today... :prop:

 

 

EDIT: I was looking at the rockets available to fixed wing (MiG-29A), they don't seem to have the S-8OM available.

[MAD-MM]

With some magic you can also drop parachute Illuminating Flares in the Editor. Was in one of the Campaign Mission from the Ka-50 also.

That was also used in Afghanistan and droped out from some Antonov Cargo Planes. Not statt of the Art but will do the job for night operation.

[Bananabrai]

With some magic you can also drop parachute Illuminating Flares in the Editor. Was in one of the Campaign Mission from the Ka-50 also.

That was also used in Afghanistan and droped out from some Antonov Cargo Planes. Not statt of the Art but will do the job for night operation.

 

I remember that mission, it felt pretty immersive. Can't remember if it was magic though.

I looked at the mission file because I wanted to that as a coop action back then and as far as I remember, the illum was dropped by another AI flight.

[Schmidtfire]

 

How does it work and what does the image look like?

 

The periscope/sight might look something like this:

 

 

From this video:

 

@ 26:50 they use the sight and launch a Shturm. If it is the correct sight symbology I don't know as

documentaries frequently "borrow" and mix and match video material so it works for the storytelling.

[S.E.Bulba]

 

The periscope/sight might look something like this…

:no:

 

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Same as in the next video (starting at 4:30).

AVIA TS has "reapears" with a new training video show a Mi-24/35 helicopter combat traning video.

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Original in Russian

 

Так же как и на следующем видео (начиная с 4:30)…

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http://vertoletciki.ru/viewtopic.php?id=766&p=23

 

[DeMonteur]

The DISS still needs a heading reference which it most likely gets from the GMK. Maybe there is a magvar setting somewhere to enter?

 

Yes, DISS uses GMK as heading reference.

[cordite]

Edited January 5, 2021 by cordite

[randomTOTEN]

 

Looks like the map display has been upgraded as development has progressed. It looks to be using the same chart layer as the rest of the simulator. It's gonna be interesting to work with.

[Razorback]

13 hours ago, randomTOTEN said:

 

 

Looks like the map display has been upgraded as development has progressed. It looks to be using the same chart layer as the rest of the simulator. It's gonna be interesting to work with.

There are two different scales for the map display, so there are probably two types of maps available...

[F1000Starfire]

I just want a Silicone WSO and go brrrrr brrrr with the turret gun.

[randomTOTEN]

7 hours ago, Razorback said:

There are two different scales for the map display, so there are probably two types of maps available...

The same is true of the map view (F10) as well. When you zoom in the actual chart will often change as well. It's the same system I think as the A-10C TAD.

Edited February 27, 2021 by randomTOTEN

[hannibal]

once the game is out.. will be looking at making a DIY controller for that controller pedestal that resides in the copilot position..

ideas are already in my head..

[Harlikwin]

On 11/7/2020 at 3:50 PM, Cdodders said:

Will the Hind we get in DCS be Night capable?

 

They mostly weren't.

 

Some very early Gen0 NVG's were trialled in Afghanistan but those used activeIR pink lights, and having a set of them you wouldn't want to fly with them.

[IcedVenom]

On 11/10/2020 at 3:07 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

Actually, it kinda-sorta does have IR... namely the R-60. I'm not sure whether this particular model does, but I've heard stories of Hind crews in Afghan that loaded up an R-60 in order to detect Taliban driving their trucks at night with the lights off. Not sure how well it worked in practice, and if the Mi-24P in particular can carry the weapon (I know German Hinds could), but this seems like a fun thing to try.

I hope this comes with the module!

[Morrov]

2 hours ago, IcedVenom said:

I hope this comes with the module!

I remember reading that they are planning to add that, once fox2s are reworked to seek IR sources, not just specific points on aircraft.