no such promise ever made COMPLETE F-16 in 2020?

[giullep]

Today, if i look the updates and the time that ED devotes at f-16 i dont think that it will be complete this year. But at this moment it’s level sincerely is little appreciabile…usual ED promises...

This is things that are missing:

 

Weapons Systems:

• AGM-88 HARM - POS Mode (Position Known)
  
• AGM-88 HARM - EOM Submode (Equations of motion)
  
• AGM-88 HARM - PB Submode (Pre-briefed)
  
• AGM-88 HARM - RUK submode (Range unknown)
  
• AGM-154A JSOW - All Modes
  
• AGM-154C JSOW - All Modes
  
• GBU-38/B JDAM
  
• GBU-31/A JDAM
  
• GBU-24A/B Laser Guided Bomb
  
• CBU-103 CEM Inertially Aided Munition (IAM) WCMD
  
• CBU-105 SFW Inertially Aided Munition (IAM) WCMD
  
• HARM Targeting System
  
• HAD MFD Page (The page for the HTS)
  
• DTOS Bombing Mode
  
• MAN Bombing Mode
  
• LADD Bombing Mode
  
• HUD Toss Anticipation Cue
  
• BRU-57A Smart Rack
  
• BDU-33 Training Bomb
  
• BDU-50 Training Bomb
  
• MK-84 AIR (High Drag Bomb)
  
• Miscellaneous Remaining Maverick Features
  

Air to Air Radar:

• DTT SAM Mode
  
• Bullseye support
  
• Intercept Steering Cue
  
• ACM Mode Slew
  
• Velocity Search with Ranging
  

Air to Ground Radar:

• GMT Mode - (Ground Moving Target)
  
• SEA Mode - (Ship Search)
  
• GM Mode (Ground Map)
  
• Doppler Beam Sharpening (DBS) modes
  
• Fixed Target Track
  
• Snowplow mode
  
• AGR (Air to Ground Ranging) mode
  

TGP Features:

• Sniper XR Pod - A/G Mode
  
• Sniper XR Pod - A/A Mode
  

Defensive Systems:

• Gen-X Expendables
  
• ALE-50 Towed Decoy
  
• Countermeasures Semi-Auto Dispense Mode
  
• Countermeasures Auto Dispense Mode
  
• RWR System Test Feature
  
• AN/ALQ-131 ECM Pod
  
• AN/ALQ-184 ECM Pod
  
• RWR Handoff PRF Tones
  

Navigation:

• Mark Points
  
• Ability to share markpoints over datalink
  
• DED Cruise Page (and all submodes)
  
• MGRS Coordinates Support
  
• Destination Directory - DED Page
  
• Bullseye DED Page
  
• OFP Common DED Page
  
• DRNG DED Page
  
• GPS INIT 1 DED Page
  
• INSM DED Page
  
• CORR BOBMON 1-5 DED PAGE
  
• VIP Common DED Page
  
• VRP DED Page
  
• HSD Page - FZ Option
  
• HSD Page - NORM Option
  
• HSD Page - MSG Option
  
• HSD Cursor
  
• DED - FIX Page
  
• Data Cartridge
  
• Desired HUD Airspeed Carat
  
• VV HUD Option
  
• VAH HUD Option
  

JHMCS Features:

• HARM Targeting System Integration
  
• Link-16 Integration
  
• AIFF Integration
  
• A/G Mode (Air to Ground)
  
• Alignment Mode
  

Miscellaneous Features:

• Emergency tailhook
  
• TEST MFD Page
  
• FLCS MFD Page
  
• MFD Page Option - RCCE
  
• MFD Page Option - Reset Menu
  
• MFD Page - DTE
  
• MFD Page - FLIR
  
• MIDS Radios
  
• JFS Doors animation
  
• ECS Doors animation
  
• DED A-CAL Page
  
• Cockpit pilot model
  
• Steerpoint selection via HOTAS
  
• Airshow smoke pods
  
• FCS BIT Animations
  
• Alternative Landing Gear Handle
  
• Damage model is incomplete
  

Bugs:

• Flight model / FLCS is incomplete and needs tuning
  
• Landing and takeoff handling are incomplete and need tuning
  
• Wing fuel tank pylon Jettison is incorrect
  

[Scofflaw]

The Hornet is unlikely to be completed before the end of the year, and it is being prioritized over the Viper right now.

 

I somewhat prefer features being introduced one at a time, so that I can learn/practice them as they come out. Progress is slower than I expected, but I wouldn't say I ever run out of things to do in DCS with the modules I currently own.

[BuzzU]

Nobody said the Viper will be finished this year. The Hornet was supposed to be but it won't make it.

 

I'm guessing the Viper will take another two years to finish if we look at how long the Hornet is taking.

[Viking 1-1]

Nobody said it will be finished this year. They even said that the "main Viper support" would start in 2021, since they are focussing on the Hornet right now.

[FoxOne007]

ED already stated that it wasn't going to be finished in 2020 just like the Hornet. additionally we're also missing more TGP options like the menu to set frag rings, etc. and the HSD is missing a ton of symbology

[falconbr]

 

Hi,

 

Just to add a few more:

 

- SMS SLAVE mode - auto slave missile diamond to target designator box,

- SCAN mode (AIM-9 L/M),

- AIM-9 missile seeker diamond boresight position - 3 degree from boresight cross,

- AIM-9 missile seeker diamond uncage behaviour - it can be uncaged with or without a heat source,

- AIM-9 missile seeker diamond cloud behaviour,

- AIM-9 missile seeker diamond behaviour - boresignt (nutating a little bit), slave (TD box offset),

- HUD AIM-9 missing symbology – range gap, 3,6,9,12 o'clock reference tics,

- BT/TD SMS functionality,

- SMS page for AIM-9X,

- Realistic COOL/WARM function.

 

Best regards,

 

falconbr

[gavagai]

Not even in 2021. I'm really curious why the Hornet is getting HMD improvements while the Viper is not.:music_whistling:

[dundun92]

Do we know if our Viper is supposed to get those HMD upgrades? Slightly curious.

[FoxOne007]

Do we know if our Viper is supposed to get those HMD upgrades? Slightly curious.

 

It should be somewhat similar to what the A-10 has though ofc not 1:1 the same, for AA mode Wags just dropped a video with more symbology on that front (and some more to come) of which at least some is hopefully coming to the Viper as well

[Top Jockey]

Hi,

 

Just to add a few more:

 

- SMS SLAVE mode - auto slave missile diamond to target designator box,

- SCAN mode (AIM-9 L/M),

- AIM-9 missile seeker diamond boresight position - 3 degree from boresight cross,

- AIM-9 missile seeker diamond uncage behaviour - it can be uncaged with or without a heat source,

- AIM-9 missile seeker diamond cloud behaviour,

- AIM-9 missile seeker diamond behaviour - boresignt (nutating a little bit), slave (TD box offset),

- HUD AIM-9 missing symbology – range gap, 3,6,9,12 o'clock reference tics,

- BT/TD SMS functionality,

- SMS page for AIM-9X,

- Realistic COOL/WARM function.

 

Best regards,

 

falconbr

 

This ^

 

Indeed the AIM-9's modes and functions are waiting to be completed...

[Jack_Veil]

So the F-16C Viper owners are B class customers than the F-18 Hornet owners are A class customers..

 

Sad, but true... 

[Eaglewings]

The Hornet was release into early access way before the F-16 came on board.
I think it is only logical to follow a first-in-first-out approach.
Looking like it is no longer feasible to develop these two iconic modules simultaneously.
Pretty sure the Viper will be getting some works along with Ed intensive drive to get the Hornet out of early access.

Equally looking forward to the Viper development.



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[Deano87]

56 minutes ago, Jack_Veil said:

So the F-16C Viper owners are B class customers than the F-18 Hornet owners are A class customers..

 

Sad, but true... 

Oh, Stop being so dramatic.

ED have a finite amount of development capacity, and they are pushing to get the Hornet finished. It was after all released over a year before the F-16 so It only makes sense that it gets finished first. Patience, our time will come.

[Hartsfield_Matt]

Imagine Wags & the gang all sitting around a conference table in power suits, fiercely debating which segment of their customer base they want to screw over. Forums are hilarious

[Hardcard]

4 hours ago, Jack_Veil said:

So the F-16C Viper owners are B class customers than the F-18 Hornet owners are A class customers..

 

1- The comparative "than" doesn't belong in that sentence

 

2- The hornet was released back in 2018 and it's still not finished... do you honestly think that's "A class" service? 

[Deano87]

@Hardcard, loving the Hotshots gif profile pic... Clearly a person with great taste.

[taco3rd]

I think we'll all turn into Top Gun level sim pilots as it gets updated and easier to fly. Turn and burn.

[NineLine]

5 hours ago, Jack_Veil said:

So the F-16C Viper owners are B class customers than the F-18 Hornet owners are A class customers..

 

Sad, but true... 

Dear Jack, this is not true at all, the only thing that is true is that the F/A-18C came out before the F-16C, and therefore the priority to finish the F/A-18C remains higher, that said, we have hired new devs for the F-16C months ago, and they continue to work away on the F-16C. All customers of all our modules are important to us, we do our best to make sure we meet their expectations the best we can based on how many dev hours we have in a day. Thanks.

[Blinky.ben]

ED admitted they bit of more then they could chew with having both those modules in such early access. So they even made an announcement they are going to push harder on the F-18 and once complete turn their attention to the F-16C.

 

so I may agree they did stuff up in the beginning but I will give them credit for owning the mistake. I did read on a Mi-24 forum that they will never do the same thing again. So lesson learnt. No point continuing to bash them for a mistake they owned and learnt from.

[Southernbear]

Technically they said the F-16 *might* roll over to Q1 2021...but they did say they wanted the others out of EA by end of 2020...and I don't see the Viper being out of EA by Q1 2021