Geraki Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 i found something yesterday .... if the TGP box and the MAV head does not match ..if you press A-G master mode button the TGP and the MAV head go into HUD center. even if the TGP is in AUTO or MAN. I think in RL does not do that. Also the TGP cannot move the head during the F-16 is in the ground ...why? How to BSGT TGP and MAV in the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donglr Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Geraki said: Also the TGP cannot move the head during the F-16 is in the ground ...why? How to BSGT TGP and MAV in the ground? It can. Make sure MAV is in PRE mode, not VIS or BORE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbod31 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I think i will just pretend that the Pre mode doesn't exist until the f-16 is complete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danzig Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 How do i boresight my mavs without a tgp? since a couple days it was not necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donglr Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Danzig said: How do i boresight my mavs without a tgp? since a couple days it was not necessary I am confused. Boresighting is the process of aligning the TGP line of sight with the Mav line of sight. If you don't have a TGP you obviously cannot align anything to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 That's not strictly true. Boresighting is calibration of the missile line of sight as installed. It has the most utility when using the TGP since it's so precise and the TGP is the only device which supports automatic handoff. But you can absolutely calibrate the missile LOS and gain a benefit in alignment without TGP. The LOS that the missile calibrates against matter of which sensor is providing SPI. If TGP is SOI and tracking then it's TGP (POINT is preferred but AREA works too). If it's FCR SOI and tracking it's FCR. If it's HUD SOI then it's through the box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donglr Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Frederf said: That's not strictly true. Boresighting is calibration of the missile line of sight as installed. It has the most utility when using the TGP since it's so precise and the TGP is the only device which supports automatic handoff. But you can absolutely calibrate the missile LOS and gain a benefit in alignment without TGP. The LOS that the missile calibrates against matter of which sensor is providing SPI. If TGP is SOI and tracking then it's TGP (POINT is preferred but AREA works too). If it's FCR SOI and tracking it's FCR. If it's HUD SOI then it's through the box. Ah, so Danzig wants to align HUD LOS to Mav LOS? I guess that is what the screenshot is trying to say. Hmm, never heard about that in the current state of the F16 in DCS. I don't think it is a thing (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconbr Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Donglr said: Ah, so Danzig wants to align HUD LOS to Mav LOS? I guess that is what the screenshot is trying to say. Hmm, never heard about that in the current state of the F16 in DCS. I don't think it is a thing (yet). Hi, I think so. The misalignment should be corrected by boresighting the missile LOS to the HUD LOS. So, in real life, it can be done in VIS mode. I tried to to that in DCS F-16, but I can't do proper alignment. Maybe is a WIP or it is not planned. Any comments from the moderator or developer? Best regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danzig Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Donglr said: Ah, so Danzig wants to align HUD LOS to Mav LOS? I guess that is what the screenshot is trying to say. Hmm, never heard about that in the current state of the F16 in DCS. I don't think it is a thing (yet). Yeah right, when i hit tms forward ( i think) -> the mav is not looking exactly where the Hud targetbox is looking. like in the screenshot -> so i always have to readjust it a little bit. That has to be a new "thing" or a bug. Have it since a couple days. Edited December 16, 2020 by Danzig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donglr Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Well, I just tried it and I can confirm that HUD and MAV are not aligned. I also could not manage to boresight them, pressing the BRSGHT button does nothing. Also when you move the HUD it moves the MAV, but when you move the MAV the HUD does not move. Don't know if this is as it's supposed to be, but anyways, I am not aware that there is anything you can do about it in the current state of development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Try slewing the HUD box onto something, swap soi to MAV and then correct the Mav alignment with where the HUD box is pointing and then hit the boresight OSB? just a thought, haven't tried it. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I tested BSGT function by deliberately putting TGP and missile on different trucks a small distance apart. In theory this should introduce a deliberate misalignment by exactly that amount. The result I got was not that which suggests a "cheat" of sorts behind the scenes. Yeah, the symbol alignment isn't right. One of the symbols, I think the TD box, isn't using the center of the symbol as the center of the symbol. Both are aligned but the pixel that is the 0,0 point isn't in the middle of the symbol graphic. They are aligned logically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donglr Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Deano87 said: Try slewing the HUD box onto something, swap soi to MAV and then correct the Mav alignment with where the HUD box is pointing and then hit the boresight OSB? just a thought, haven't tried it. That is exactly what I did but to no effect. After releasing target and re-locking HUD and Mav are still un-aligned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceMonkey037 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 4:16 PM, Sr. said: Begs the question... will the F-16 JHMCS ever have the ability to create mark points? It will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhinozherous Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Update is out! i7-14700KF 5.6GHz Water Cooled /// ZOTAC RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB /// 32GB RAM DDR5 /// Win11 /// SSDs only DCS - XP12 - MSFS2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danzig Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 The problem got fixed through the OB Update 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bog9y Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Has anybody else got issues with the D models Mavs in a inflight start mission? I dont have any crosshairs on the WPN page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage2425 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) @Bbow, TMS down should fix that, I think. Edited December 18, 2020 by Mirage2425 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorVixen Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 You have to do all kind of chores to get those things to work, and even when u do the chores on the ground the auto handoff feature is not to be trusted, usually messes up more that it does good for you. I tried to like the mavs, but i hate them now, the update changed nothing on my hatred for them. I don't use these hassle missiles anymore, i load up with cbu97, they are hassle free and way more effective. If u want to use mavs then just use the mav seeker, don't bother with the slaving to tgp it's too messy. But if u insist then maybe start from the air, for some silly reason they are aligned properly then, where as when you load them on the ground they arent. then u have to do 8 minute ins alignement and 10 minutes aligning the mav's. have fun with that! (or just get cbu97) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bog9y Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Fixed it, turns out that if you set MSAA to OFF in the graphics settings the crosshairs disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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