Mirage F1 project update

[Bremspropeller]

27 minutes ago, Grift-06 said:

All the helmets are white or there are different helmet colors ?

This is a skin for the CE (there's only one skin for the F1C which is an early 2/5  "Île de France" skin) - as far as I could grab from various videos.

[killkenny1]

54 minutes ago, kontiuka said:

 

That FPS though...

EDIT: see it got better further down the video.

Edited July 19, 2022 by killkenny1

[Viper ZA]

 

 

[Harlikwin]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Two MiG-21 kills and none was shot down by Floggers. One F1CZ was hit by a Flogger and overran the runway during landing. The Floggers in turn got lucky as one or two Magic 1s fused too far away.

Hardly a cut and dry "kill" or "loss" on either side.

I mean the Mirage was still a write off. 

[killkenny1]

 

[Rudel_chw]

2nd attempt from Spud

 

 

 

Edit: Well, this second video from Spud is much better and really useful for learning the Cyrano Radar ... very worthwhile 

Edited July 19, 2022 by Rudel_chw

[killkenny1]

18 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

2nd attempt from Spud

 

 

 

Edit: Well, this second video from Spud is much better and really useful for learning the Cyrano Radar ... very worthwhile 

 

So it begins, the rush to release training missions for a DCS module.

I expect GR to release an entire series of training vids 20 minutes after module release :D.

[Rudel_chw]

9 minutes ago, killkenny1 said:

So it begins, the rush to release training missions for a DCS module.

 

I don't mind, as long as they are useful ... and the radar is undoubtedly one of the most complex aspects of the F1

[Harlikwin]

2 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

I don't mind, as long as they are useful ... and the radar is undoubtedly one of the most complex aspects of the F1

The fact that the clutter seems to be a static "texture" doesn't exactly give me warm fuzzies about the fidelity of radar modeling in the F1... 

[Spirale]

+1 Harlikwin

Best modeled radar today is the Mirage 2000 one: Thanks to the Dev and the help of AdA

[Stratos]

Was the F1M ever able to carry a laser desginator pod?

I know they carried a Elint pod, not sure If a designator pod was there as well.

Edited July 19, 2022 by Stratos

[toilet2000]

12 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

The fact that the clutter seems to be a static "texture" doesn't exactly give me warm fuzzies about the fidelity of radar modeling in the F1... 

It's pretty easy to see that it's not. Look at an individual point and you'll see that it's clearly not static.

[Rudel_chw]

Another Tutorial by Red Kite:

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

2 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

I mean the Mirage was still a write off. 

IIRC it was in a lengthly overhaul. Mostly because it skidded through a ditch.

[Get_Lo]

Didnt they write it off because they wanted to use the parts to repair a different F1 that was less damaged? hit by a manpad if I recall. IMO that seems like a more logical thing to do in a time of war, take 2 damaged jets and use the parts of the more damaged one to fix the less damaged one.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

2 hours ago, Stratos said:

Was the F1M ever able to carry a laser desginator pod?

I know they carried a Elint pod, not sure If a designator pod was there as well.

 

AFAIK no, they always relied on buddy lasing.

[Harlikwin]

2 hours ago, toilet2000 said:

It's pretty easy to see that it's not. Look at an individual point and you'll see that it's clearly not static.

I'm not talking about some sparkly "effect". I mean the clutter should be dynamic based on ownship altitude and what sort of terrain you are flying over. The texture hardly changes, watch a few vids its always mostly the same, yes the "sparkles" change but I doubt its anything beyond cosmetic. And honestly its fairly questionable how much actual clutter you should be seeing in HA mode at higher alt. I'd assume its overwhelmed by clutter at lower alt in the radar from the MLC and SLC. But again, haven't really seen that in the vids. IDK to me it looks like a FC3 radar with a sparkly texture added to it, which if that is the case is pretty disappointing. 

 

2 hours ago, Spirale said:

+1 Harlikwin

Best modeled radar today is the Mirage 2000 one: Thanks to the Dev and the help of AdA

 

Yup. Very true. I hope the F1 radar gets to that level at some point. 

Edited July 19, 2022 by Harlikwin

[Dustband]

10 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

the clutter should be dynamic based on ownship altitude and what sort of terrain you are flying over.

 

Do you have a source for that? Or any ground of foundation?

[Get_Lo]

Just now, Dustband said:

Do you have a source for that? Or any ground of foundation?

The Laws of Physics

[toilet2000]

11 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

I'm not talking about some sparkly "effect". I mean the clutter should be dynamic based on ownship altitude and what sort of terrain you are flying over. The texture hardly changes, watch a few vids its always mostly the same, yes the "sparkles" change but I doubt its anything beyond cosmetic. And honestly its fairly questionable how much actual clutter you should be seeing in HA mode at higher alt. I'd assume its overwhelmed by clutter at lower alt in the radar from the MLC and SLC. But again, haven't really seen that in the vids. IDK to me it looks like a FC3 radar with a sparkly texture added to it, which if that is the case is pretty disappointing.

 

You realize this isn’t a Doppler radar right? It’s an MTI radar and for sure there’s going to be clutter. The classic knowledge of MLC/SLC and the rest doesn’t apply the same to MTI radars.

[Get_Lo]

Just now, toilet2000 said:

You realize this isn’t a Doppler radar right? It’s an MTI radar and for sure there’s going to be clutter. The classic knowledge of MLC/SLC and the rest doesn’t apply the same to MTI radars.

its only an MTI radar sometimes, its a Pulse radar all the rest of the time. MTI only activates on max gain and with a scan of 15 or 7nm

[Harlikwin]

26 minutes ago, Dustband said:

Do you have a source for that? Or any ground of foundation?

Hows this? 

25 minutes ago, toilet2000 said:

You realize this isn’t a Doppler radar right? It’s an MTI radar and for sure there’s going to be clutter. The classic knowledge of MLC/SLC and the rest doesn’t apply the same to MTI radars.

All radars suffer from those 2 lobe clutters, it only matters how the processing deals with that. Since HA mode is basically a pulse mode with no filtering you should get a ton of clutter at low alt and when looking down. I forget which vid it was, maybe Spudknockers he turned the radar elevation down by a few degrees and no real change in the "clutter".  IIRC you are supposed to use the Low alt mode (MTI) below 6k feet I think. But thats not implemented yet. And at any rate if you point a pulse radar at the ground from ANY altitude you are gonna get a ton of MLC.

 

Speaking of MTI, here is a fun matlab program to help estimate how much ground clutter there should be and how well you can resolve moving targets. 

https://www.mathworks.com/help/radar/ug/generate-clutter-and-target-returns-for-mti-radar.html#GenerateClutterAndTargetReturnsForMTIRadarExample-1

And here is a decent on of how to simulate clutter effects.

https://www.mathworks.com/help/radar/ug/introduction-to-radar-scenario-clutter-simulation.html?searchHighlight=real&s_tid=doc_srchtitle

 

Edited July 19, 2022 by Harlikwin

[Breakaway]

It is now 0007 UTC, where is it?!?!

[Get_Lo]

1 hour ago, Breakaway said:

It is now 0007 UTC, where is it?!?!

Roughly 13.5 hours away

[Rhinozherous]

5 hours ago, Get_Lo said:

Roughly 13.5 hours away

Or tomorrow, as the OB Patch was moved...