Do ED teams plays WW2 ?

[NineLine]

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Do ED teams plays WW2 ?

 

Every single day...

[Bounder]

On 12/8/2020 at 9:27 AM, PL_Harpoon said:

3. Historically speaking, confrontations between LFIXs and K4 were much more likely that between Mk XIVs and K4s.

 

 

Sources:

http://www.airhistory.org.uk/spitfire/contracts.html

http://www.airhistory.org.uk/spitfire/contract_Air1877.html

http://www.airhistory.org.uk/spitfire/contract_981687.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_(late_Merlin-powered_variants)#Mk_IX_(type_361)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_(Griffon-powered_variants)#Mk_XIV_(type_379)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109_variants#K-4

 

 

 

 

I think most would agree that historical matchups are very important and it is true that Spitfire MkIX pilots would have faced 109K4 opponents. However, what would be the most common match up of these two iconic warbirds during 1944? If I were a Spitfire pilot in 1944, I presume I'd most likely be flying a MkIX (as the most numerous mark in operation during this period). Out of interest, if I were a 109 pilot in 1944, what variant would I most likely be flying? A 109K4 or one of the 109G series? I'm not sure of the answer and I suspect it may not be that straightforward to answer but my I do wonder if it would be one of the G series 109s?

There will always be disagreements over different variants of aircraft, how they are modelled and how things were, I've seen this over the years in a number of games but I do think DCS would be improved with the inclusion of either a Spit MkXIV and/or earlier G series 109s.

[philstyle]

1 hour ago, bounder64 said:

Out of interest, if I were a 109 pilot in 1944, what variant would I most likely be flying? A 109K4 or one of the 109G series? I'm not sure of the answer and I suspect it may not be that straightforward to answer but my I do wonder if it would be one of the G series 109s?

 

 

Definitely a G variant.
JG27 for example. Their aircraft stocks are G variants for almost the entirety of 1944. The K arrives in November and they have mixed stocks of Gs and Ks until March 1945 at which point they start to only report Ks
http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg27.htm

JG3, als in France, don't get their K4s until January 1945, and they fly a mix of Gs and Ks until the war's end

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg3.htm

 

JG1 in northern france/ belgium/ holland are equipped with 109 Gs well into 1945

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg1.htm

 

Similar story in nothern Italy/ west german border  with JG77, flying Gs only until the end

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg77.htm
 

You're right that the Spitfire IX was still the main ride of the 2nd TAF spitfire units in late 1944. The Spit IX is the right machine for 1944.
The 109 G is the appropriate Messerschmitt, not the K4.

Edited January 1, 2021 by philstyle

[greco.bernardi]

39 minutes ago, philstyle said:

 

Definitely a G variant.
JG27 for example. Their aircraft stocks are G variants for almost the entirety of 1944. The K arrives in November and they have mixed stocks of Gs and Ks until March 1945 at which point they start to only report Ks
http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg27.htm

JG3, als in France, don't get their K4s until January 1945, and they fly a mix of Gs and Ks until the war's end

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg3.htm

 

JG1 in northern france/ belgium/ holland are equipped with 109 Gs well into 1945

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg1.htm

 

Similar story in nothern Italy/ west german border  with JG77, flying Gs only until the end

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg77.htm
 

You're right that the Spitfire IX was still the main ride of the 2nd TAF spitfire units in late 1944. The Spit IX is the right machine for 1944.
The 109 G is the appropriate Messerschmitt, not the K4.

 

I would like to have a G model to fly...A iconic plane like a G6 would be too fun!

I didn´t like to fly the K4 model and 1945´s maps in old il2...F and G variants was almost all time my preference...and in SOW i ever prefer to take a 109 without MW50.

BUT!  What is the most correct G variant´s choice? 

 

 

[otto]

On 1/1/2021 at 5:10 PM, Bounder said:

I think most would agree that historical matchups are very important and it is true that Spitfire MkIX pilots would have faced 109K4 opponents. However, what would be the most common match up of these two iconic warbirds during 1944?

 

Depends what period of 1944. early and summer probably 109 G6 vs Mk IX.

 

September and later 1944 G14 or K4 .

[PL_Harpoon]

I agree.

My point was to see if bringing the Spit XIV would really make the game more historically accurate.

 

It would be great if we could have 109Gs.

[amazingme]

On 12/3/2020 at 12:18 PM, McPetterson said:

First I want to say that new DM is really good, thanks for your work. I really enjoy playing the game but, what the heck did you do with germans bullets ? 

Actually the game is unbalanced, I can touch 50% of my spit's canons before a german planes starts to have engine issues, in the other hand 1 bullet ( 20 mm or 30 mm K-4 canon ) can destroy my spit ...

 

Whoa so much realism, the late 44's K-4 plane destroy my late 42's Spit with one bullet ... so much fun. 
Seriously guys, do you test your new updates ? don't you have testers that plays on multiplayer ?

 

If you want people not playing the spit ( maybe it's the same with other allied planes, I don't know I only fly Spit ) that's how you do it !
If you want a realistic game, maybe put a later version of spit, if you don't, balanced a little bit more the gap between bullets or plane damage ... 

 

Thanks in advances and once again thanks for you works . 
 

 

 

 One shot one kill with the 30mm cannon is quite realistic. Right now, the 30mm efficacy is again turned down, so no more one shot one kill.. which is a shame. The K-4 purpose was to hunt for the bombers not to dogfight. It can still be used as a dogfighter due to its good power to weight ratio, but that's all about it, as it turns like a brick, even at low speeds because of the stick forces. On the other hand, the Spit IX has some augmented features here in the game, such as the turning capability and the very good energy retention. If you engage the K-4 from a higher energy state you won't have any problems in getting the kill.

 Up until the new DM was released, the story with the K-4 was like this.. Allied pilots would fire at it from more than 1000m away, with the following consequences: the K-4 pilot would get killed from a single hit or the plane was starting shaking like hell (imagine here the FFB stick going wild). A lot of people stopped flying the K-4 because of these things. Currently, with the new DM, flying the K-4 is a bit less frustrating than before.

 Of course we need a G model, or even an F model will do, as disabling the MW-50 to achieve game balance in multiplayer is.. unrealistically lame, but that depends only on ED..

[peeter]

Flying the K4 feels like flying a Panzer tank.

 

I've try it during the free trial and he can handle a LOT of shot.

I don't know why this plane seems to be more robust than the other one ?

 

is it something ED need to ajust ?

Edited January 6, 2021 by peeter

[amazingme]

26 minutes ago, peeter said:

Flying the K4 feels like flying a Panzer tank.

 

I've try it during the free trial and he can handle a LOT of shot.

I don't know why this plane seems to be more robust than the other one ?

 

is it something ED need to ajust ?

 

It's not more robust than other planes, on the contrary.. Try shooting down the P47 or the P51.. using 13mm.

[peeter]

Well with the K-4, I could get hit by multiple 20mm shot from a spit but the plane just keep flying fine.

 

When I fly the Spitfire (against Dora w/ 20mm) just a few shot bring the plane down.

 

I understand the 30mm is deadly but the british 20mm feel like it's shooting nerf

 

If I have Time i'll do a video on that

(Spitfire v Spitfire / Spitfire v bf109 to show the difference)

[NineLine]

The DM is still WIP, there are things that still need tweaking, especially the impact of damage on all surfaces, some aircraft feel it better than others. The team is on holidays right now, but I am sure will be back at it when they are back. Thanks.

[JG13Wulf]

Against AI Fw 190A8
British 20 mm seems quite powerfull.
If impact on the right area, the plane is destroyed in a second.

[NineLine]

11 hours ago, JG13Wulf said:

If impact on the right area, the plane is destroyed in a second.

Isnt that the goal of air combat? Hitting in the right area?

[JG13Wulf]

21 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Isnt that the goal of air combat? Hitting in the right area?

No ! The only goal is to come as close as possible to see all those nice Pin Up ! 

Combat is only a pretext