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They are in today's screenshots. I guess they are coming shortly

 

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Awesome stuff! Good find @ebali!

 

Also, is that first screenshot on the Marianas map, it looks great, and finally something a lot more green than our more recent, modern maps.


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I am excited for the SEA radar mode!  Nice update today for the Hornet!  

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Anyone know what's the point of having the SLAM-ER if we can't use the feed to complement its increased range?  My only guess is that you don't have to offset or slow as much while it makes its way to the target so that you can MITL while closing on the target for followup.

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1 hour ago, Thump said:

Anyone know what's the point of having the SLAM-ER if we can't use the feed to complement its increased range?  My only guess is that you don't have to offset or slow as much while it makes its way to the target so that you can MITL while closing on the target for followup.


"We are also developing the enhanced data link video transmission for these greater distances which we plan to deliver early next year. "

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1 hour ago, Foka said:


"We are also developing the enhanced data link video transmission for these greater distances which we plan to deliver early next year. "

Which begs the question as to why they don't just wait until next year to release it. 

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3 hours ago, Thump said:

Which begs the question as to why they don't just wait until next year to release it. 

 

Huh??? I don't need data link for its increased range, I just launch earlier.

 

I hope they fix the harpoon no damage bug before any of these.


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7 minutes ago, Thump said:

No you don't....but in order to really take advantage of the whole ER purpose MITL, ya will.

 

I really don't. But anyway I hope they fix other things before new weapons arrive, I would love to use DCS with less than 5000 bugs per module at least once before I die.

 

I really prefer bugfixing than new weapons.

 

Why would I want the SEA AG mode if the harpoon won't do more than 1% damage to a ship?

 

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5 hours ago, Thump said:

No you don't....but in order to really take advantage of the whole purpose of an ER missile that is a MITL weapons system, ya will.

SLAM-ER still has the smallest CEP in the navy's arsenal, even without MITL. Itll be a BOC machine!

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Absolutely, but I always imagined the smallest CEP  was due to the MITL ability..... To fly it through a specific window so to speak. Does SLAM-ER have a technology that enables the GPS mode to be more accurate than normal? Not sure there. 

(Going with it....bigger + powered airframe = maybe bigger / newer GPS receiver and extra maneuverability over a JDAM?)

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9 minutes ago, Frederf said:

SLAM-ER has an imaging seeker on the front. When it gets close it compares prepared imagery of the DMPI with the seeker view without human interaction.

 

I doubt that's ever going to be simulated here.

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1 hour ago, Frederf said:

SLAM-ER has an imaging seeker on the front. When it gets close it compares prepared imagery of the DMPI with the seeker view without human interaction.

Thats the ATA upgrade, I think they will probably be modelling a SLAM-ER from before that was implemented.

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2 hours ago, Frederf said:

SLAM-ER has an imaging seeker on the front. When it gets close it compares prepared imagery of the DMPI with the seeker view without human interaction.

The JSOW C IRL also has an IR seeker, that compares preloaded target image to what it seek, for terminal guidance and this isn't modeled at all in DCS.

 

I wouldn't expect the SLAM-ER to be any different, regardless of the variant they model. The interface for that simply doesn't exist in DCS right now. Maybe it'll arrive when data cartridge functionality gets globally implemented in DCS.

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1 hour ago, Harker said:

The JSOW C IRL also has an IR seeker, that compares preloaded target image to what it seek, for terminal guidance and this isn't modeled at all in DCS.

 

I wouldn't expect the SLAM-ER to be any different, regardless of the variant they model. The interface for that simply doesn't exist in DCS right now. Maybe it'll arrive when data cartridge functionality gets globally implemented in DCS.

 

Short of providing extensive mission planning tools, I don't think a data cartridge would benefit this much. You would need to view a 3D image of the target in the ME and pick an aimpoint. It wouldn't add any real functionality over just selecting a coordinate, in DCS that is, but it would be cool. 

 

The ATA upgrade mostly adds a cool moving anti-shipping capability. The seeker can recognise an image of a surface vessel and either automatically update its target point to it or specific part of it, or can cue the pilot when using MITL. But it's a moot point, since we're almost certainly not getting ATA.

 

But.....what's the difference between K and H models of the SLAM-ER? The references aren't clear. Bignewy has suggested we're getting both, and if we rule ATA out, what's the difference? Not sure.


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I would like a data cartridge just to not need to laboriously plug in coordinates in VR! For this and other GPS weapons (JDAM, JSOW) It would be nice to go from user mark points on the F10 map to a data cartridge like both the VIggen and the Harrier can do.

 

So, what is the range increase between Paveway II and III? Wikipedia etc FWIW says from ~9-10 miles to ~11-12 miles. Of course, altitude and speed dependent. Which stills puts you inside the threat radius of SA-11's and -6's (and, of course, well inside the belly of the SA-10).


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"The AGM-84K is an upgraded variant of the AGM-84H SLAM-ER with internal improvements. Developmental tests of the hardware and software updates of the AGM-84K were conducted in early 2001, followed by operational test and evaluation in the first half of 2002, and Initial Operational Capability in July 2002. Existing AGM-84Hs will be upgraded to AGM-84K standard." Eh, just "more better". H/K Block 1F had 1G (ATA) potentially as early as 2002.

 

The reason for the Paveway III was all about low level attacks. It was called the LLLGB. It's significantly different in operation compared to PWII. The bomb has an autopilot, barometric sensor, scanning laser seeker, reacquire ability, and preprogrammed mission profile selection. The idea is an F-111 can come in screaming below 1000' at 600 knots and still deliver.

 

It should have range somewhere between PWII and JDAM (closer to JDAM) as the PWIII doesn't "bee line". You have to be careful after release as the bomb can fly up through your airplane in certain situations so you want to side step.

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3 hours ago, AvroLanc said:

Short of providing extensive mission planning tools, I don't think a data cartridge would benefit this much. You would need to view a 3D image of the target in the ME and pick an aimpoint. It wouldn't add any real functionality over just selecting a coordinate, in DCS that is, but it would be cool. 

 

The ATA upgrade mostly adds a cool moving anti-shipping capability. The seeker can recognise an image of a surface vessel and either automatically update its target point to it or specific part of it, or can cue the pilot when using MITL. But it's a moot point, since we're almost certainly not getting ATA.

Yeah, I just thing that if something like a target planning tool comes out, it'll be integrated with the data cartridge functionality. In any event, for the ATA to work, we need to, at the very least, be able to select a specific unit type or map object as the missile's target. So if the coordinates are not perfect or that unit moves in the meantime but is still within the FOV of the seeker, the missile can correct itself towards the unit of that type that is closest to the original aim point.

Actually, this type of filtering already exists in Advanced Waypoint actions, so I think it's not that far fetched for ED to implement it in a "Terminal Guidance API". One can hope.

Without terminal guidance, it's just an accurate cruise missile, without any autonomous correcting capability.

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4 hours ago, Frederf said:

The reason for the Paveway III was all about low level attacks. It was called the LLLGB. It's significantly different in operation compared to PWII. The bomb has an autopilot, barometric sensor, scanning laser seeker, reacquire ability, and preprogrammed mission profile selection. The idea is an F-111 can come in screaming below 1000' at 600 knots and still deliver.

 

Ok, this is cool.

 

Very, very, very, very cool.

 

 

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1 hour ago, hein22 said:

 

Really? Which one is that? I didn't know any.

It exists for AI flights, for tasks such as Engage Group, Engage Unit, Escort etc. You can assign them to attack a specific vehicle type, group, unit, static object or map object. Similarly for A2A tasks, you can select to attack/escort against a type of aircraft, group or unit. I'm thinking that this kind of logic could be transferable to a weapon, but I don't know how complicated it could be. I do some programming for my work, but nothing like that.

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