reported Carpet Bombing with B17's is ... functional?!

[VeeSPIKE]

I was learning how to set up carpet bombing missions using the GR tutorial. I had some issues getting it to work right and at the end I still had issues but the mission "worked."

 

One issue was bomb spacing. The bomb drop default to a linear spacing of 1600'. If you change that in any way, say to cover a 2000' or 3000' runway, the spacing will change to something over 6000' and you will miss the target because the bomb density is not high enough.

 

A second issue is silly. A box formation of 4 3-ship elements in either Open or Closed spacing will kill 2-5 of their own aircraft because they will drop the bombs right in front of another aircraft, which will then either explode or fall out of formation and crash. It happened every time I ran this mission.

Bomber test.zip

Attached is a file with .miz, .trk, debrief log, and tacview.

 

 

 

 

[NineLine]

I'll check out your mission.

[NineLine]

For the bomb coverage I didnt see an issue. I set one group to 500m and one group to 1000m and the bombs spread and covered accordingly.

 

For the B-17s bombing each other, looks like there is an issue using Open in Formation for an element along with Big Bomber Formation, change each element for now to close, and it shouldn't be an issue. I will report the issues with Open formation.

 

Thanks!

[OLD CROW]

I've programmed them in a close bombing box and it seems that  the carpet bombing with the B-17 is still been a bug. They reach the bombing point, do a weird dive turn and enter the objective from another heading and once they reach the dropping point only the leader (in a 4 element group) drop only one bomb but  it's programmed in ALL.

Saipan Bombers.miz

[Blech]

On 7/16/2021 at 2:56 PM, OLD CROW said:

I've programmed them in a close bombing box and it seems that  the carpet bombing with the B-17 is still been a bug. They reach the bombing point, do a weird dive turn and enter the objective from another heading and once they reach the dropping point only the leader (in a 4 element group) drop only one bomb but  it's programmed in ALL.

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Hi,

PIC 1
Change
Reaction to Threat = PASSIVE DEFENCE
ROE = ONLY DESIGNATED
altitude = 26,000 ft
See \DCS World OpenBeta\Doc\DCS User Manual EN 2020.pdf    pages 276 ff.

 

Delete "Big Formation" - you don't have one
See \DCS World OpenBeta\Doc\DCS User Manual EN 2020.pdf    pages 248 ff.
PIC 4 is an example for 15*3 bombers

It seems that Carpet bombing does not like an altitude above 27,000 ft
If the altitude is 30,000 ft at waypoint 0,1 - the bombers will start a dive from 30,000 to under 27,000 ft at waypoint 1

I set the altitude to 26,000 ft for waypoint 0,1,2 in the edited miz
( about 23,000 - 25,000 ft was realistic over Germany in WW2 - due to the Flak )
( Pretty cold above 20,000 ft - the B-17 has no pressurized cockpit/hull  https://meteorologytraining.tpub.com/14269/css/14269_75.htm ) 

 

or try this (?)
Waypoint 0 - 30,000 ft
long distance to waypoint 1 for a smooth descent
Waypoint 1 - 26,000 ft
Waypoint 2 - 26,000 ft
Waypoint 3 - 30,000 ft

PIC 2
Waypoint 1
Delete all except Carpet Bombing
Set Carpet Bombing altitude to 26,000 ft
altitude = 26,000 ft

 

PIC 3
Waypoint 2
altitude = 26,000 ft for level flight over the target between waypoint 1 and 2

 

 

 

Saipan Bombers edit.miz