My 3090 Settings for my G2 (2.7.11)

[zildac]

 
Yeah, no its locked at 45 per every tool I have. And the frame times which are always under 11ms would indicate it should be pulling 90 without any smooting. 
 
The only thing I did, was pull the 2080ti, pop in the 3090, and update to the latest nvidia driver. IDK, I might try rolling it back, or reinstalling steamVR at this point, because even stupidly simple apps like the steamVR "Room" its locked at 45.
 

Perhaps irrelevant, but using the oculus tray tool and trying to set ASW to auto was causing issues for me. I know your not using OTT. However in the end the problem was that DCS was set to run with administrative privs and OTT was not. As such OTT wasn't "allowed" to interact with the DCS executable. Complete stab in tge dark but are you running DCS as admin?

[speed-of-heat]

25 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

Yeah, I just found it doing web searches haven't touched it.

 

Every GUI option I have set disables motion smoothing. I mean, the DCS menu screen is locked at 45FPS, Its always been 90 for the last X years I've used VR regardless of motion smoothing on or off. The frame times suggest I should be pulling 90, yet every tool, DCS, FPSVR other in game tools in other games are saying its locked at 45.

 

 

Yeah, no its locked at 45 per every tool I have. And the frame times which are always under 11ms would indicate it should be pulling 90 without any smooting. 

 

The only thing I did, was pull the 2080ti, pop in the 3090, and update to the latest nvidia driver. IDK, I might try rolling it back, or reinstalling steamVR at this point, because even stupidly simple apps like the steamVR "Room" its locked at 45.

 

 

I notice you use a warthog, do you use a script?

[dukovac]

On 1/4/2021 at 2:21 PM, speed-of-heat said:

These are my settings, and they are what work for me.

What kind of sorcery is this? I don't have VR or RTX series card, but I followed your guide to some extent and results are amazing!! Thank you, I owe you a beer!

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

[timcat]

Do you have max FPS set at 45 in Nvidia settings by accident? 

[Harlikwin]

1 hour ago, speed-of-heat said:

I notice you use a warthog, do you use a script?

 

No, no scripts, I also have like 5 other sticks, again no scripts. And winwing isn't stealing frames either. It just looks like for some reason smoothing is being forced on somewhere.

 

26 minutes ago, timcat said:

Do you have max FPS set at 45 in Nvidia settings by accident? 

I don't even see an option for this setting in the NVIDA driver settings? Is that what you are talking about? IIRC there was some setting for flat screens to limit this but it doesn't apply in VR AFAIK. 

[speed-of-heat]

OK lets start with the basics; can you copy and paste your Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MixedRealityVRDriver\resources\settings\steamvr.settings file into thread...

[timcat]

13 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

I don't even see an option for this setting in the NVIDA driver settings? Is that what you are talking about? IIRC there was some setting for flat screens to limit this but it doesn't apply in VR AFAIK. 

Unless they recently removed it.

[Harlikwin]

 

So there is no steamVR.settings just the default.vrsettings file I tried to uninstall steamvr and steamvr wmr but It looks like it picked up some old settings somewhere but that file is now gone. 

 

{
    // Windows Mixed Reality for SteamVR
    // Version #.#.#
    // Please refrain from editing this file, as it is replaced with every update to the driver. 
    // Instead, modify settings through the UX available as an overlay on the SteamVR dashboard.

  "driver_Holographic": {
    // Motion reprojection doubles framerate through motion vector extrapolation 
    //     motionvector = force application to always run at half framerate with motion vector reprojection
    //     auto         = automatically use motion reprojection when the application can not maintain native framerate
    //     none         = turn off motion reprojection
    //
    // Comment out or remove this line to use the SteamVR settings for controlling motion reprojection
    "motionReprojectionMode": "none",

    // Motion reprojection indicator to display the mode currently selected
    //     green = off because application can render at full framerate
    //     cyan  = on because application is cpu bound
    //     blue  = on because application is gpu bound
    //     red   = off because application running at less than half framerate or motion reprojection disabled
    //
    //     green + cyan + blue = motion reprojection half-framerate mode or application requested motion reprojection
    "motionReprojectionIndicatorEnabled": false,

    // Show application current render resolation versus maximum application resolution
    //     light gray  = current frame resolution
    //     dark gray   = maximum rendered resolution
    // 
    // If only a light gray box is visible, the application is rendering at its maximum resolution
    "dynamicResolutionIndicatorEnabled": false,

    // Indicator area size and position in 0-1 space
    "indicatorAreaSize": 0.02,
    "indicatorAreaXPosition": 0.3,
    "indicatorAreaYPosition": 0.3,

    // Dynamic resolution size as a percentage of total indicator size
    "dynamicResolutionIndicatorSize": 0.7,

    // Some people may experience increased discomfort such as nausea, motion sickness, dizziness,
    // disorientation, headache, fatigue, or eye strain when using thumbstick controls in Windows Mixed Reality.
    //
    // Setting thumbstickControlsMoveEnabled to true may cause application compatibility issues
    "thumbstickControlsTurnEnabled": false, // true = use thumbsticks for artificial turn, false = default application thumbstick behavior
    "thumbstickControlsMoveEnabled": false, // true = use thumbsticks for artificial move, false = default application thumbstick behavior
    "thumbstickControlsReversed": false,
    "thumbstickTurnSmooth": false,
    "thumbstickDeadzone": 0.25,
    "thumbstickUseForSystemMenu": true,

    // During some transitions (typically entering Home), controller events start accumulate and the system has difficulties to catch up
    // Settings a mximum age for a contoller input allows ensuring that the events queue does not grow indefinitely
    "obsoleteStateMaxTimeInSeconds": 1.0,

    // Disable DX12 support
    "forceDisableDX12": false,

    // Feature still in development
    "enableSkeletalInput": true,

    // Emulate a Press on Trackpad in 0,0 when pressing A or X
    "emulatedTrackpadFixedOnA": true,

    // Emulate trackpad with position based on controller pointing direction when pressing B or Y
    "emulatedTrackpadWristOnB": true,

    // Emulate trackpad with position using Thumbstick Press / Move / Release gesture
    // When enabled, superceedes Trackpad on A / B
    //     - A / X do not send trackpad info anymore
    //     - B / Y send trackpad pressed in 0,0
    "emulatedTrackpadOnThumbstick": false,

    // Emulation mode for compatibility with older games
    // Values: None, HpMotionController, Holographic
    "controllerEmulationMode": "None"
  },
    // If motionReprojectionMode is disabled, these applications will still respect SteamVR settings
    "MotionReprojectionDisabledExceptions" : {
        "hlvr.exe" : true
    },
    "NoInterEyeRotation" : {
        "battlezone_dx11.exe" : true,
        "battlezone_dx12.exe" : true,
        "DOOMVFRx64.exe" : true,
        "Fallout4VR.exe" : true
    }
}
 

This setting is set to OFF, so I assume full speed ahead. 

 

4 hours ago, timcat said:

Unless they recently removed it.

 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Harlikwin

[71st_Mastiff]

well todays beta update; Steam VR, I'm DCS crashing every time I start now.

 

Steam VR and or WMR.

 

either one causes a crash.

 

 

 

 

[Brainfreeze]

Latest beta update crashes a lot of things actually...better not update yet

[speed-of-heat]

6 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

 

So there is no steamVR.settings just the default.vrsettings file I tried to uninstall steamvr and steamvr wmr but It looks like it picked up some old settings somewhere but that file is now gone. 

 

{
    // Windows Mixed Reality for SteamVR
    // Version #.#.#
    // Please refrain from editing this file, as it is replaced with every update to the driver. 
    // Instead, modify settings through the UX available as an overlay on the SteamVR dashboard.

  "driver_Holographic": {
    // Motion reprojection doubles framerate through motion vector extrapolation 
    //     motionvector = force application to always run at half framerate with motion vector reprojection
    //     auto         = automatically use motion reprojection when the application can not maintain native framerate
    //     none         = turn off motion reprojection
    //
    // Comment out or remove this line to use the SteamVR settings for controlling motion reprojection
    "motionReprojectionMode": "none",

    // Motion reprojection indicator to display the mode currently selected
    //     green = off because application can render at full framerate
    //     cyan  = on because application is cpu bound
    //     blue  = on because application is gpu bound
    //     red   = off because application running at less than half framerate or motion reprojection disabled
    //
    //     green + cyan + blue = motion reprojection half-framerate mode or application requested motion reprojection
    "motionReprojectionIndicatorEnabled": false,

    // Show application current render resolation versus maximum application resolution
    //     light gray  = current frame resolution
    //     dark gray   = maximum rendered resolution
    // 
    // If only a light gray box is visible, the application is rendering at its maximum resolution
    "dynamicResolutionIndicatorEnabled": false,

    // Indicator area size and position in 0-1 space
    "indicatorAreaSize": 0.02,
    "indicatorAreaXPosition": 0.3,
    "indicatorAreaYPosition": 0.3,

    // Dynamic resolution size as a percentage of total indicator size
    "dynamicResolutionIndicatorSize": 0.7,

    // Some people may experience increased discomfort such as nausea, motion sickness, dizziness,
    // disorientation, headache, fatigue, or eye strain when using thumbstick controls in Windows Mixed Reality.
    //
    // Setting thumbstickControlsMoveEnabled to true may cause application compatibility issues
    "thumbstickControlsTurnEnabled": false, // true = use thumbsticks for artificial turn, false = default application thumbstick behavior
    "thumbstickControlsMoveEnabled": false, // true = use thumbsticks for artificial move, false = default application thumbstick behavior
    "thumbstickControlsReversed": false,
    "thumbstickTurnSmooth": false,
    "thumbstickDeadzone": 0.25,
    "thumbstickUseForSystemMenu": true,

    // During some transitions (typically entering Home), controller events start accumulate and the system has difficulties to catch up
    // Settings a mximum age for a contoller input allows ensuring that the events queue does not grow indefinitely
    "obsoleteStateMaxTimeInSeconds": 1.0,

    // Disable DX12 support
    "forceDisableDX12": false,

    // Feature still in development
    "enableSkeletalInput": true,

    // Emulate a Press on Trackpad in 0,0 when pressing A or X
    "emulatedTrackpadFixedOnA": true,

    // Emulate trackpad with position based on controller pointing direction when pressing B or Y
    "emulatedTrackpadWristOnB": true,

    // Emulate trackpad with position using Thumbstick Press / Move / Release gesture
    // When enabled, superceedes Trackpad on A / B
    //     - A / X do not send trackpad info anymore
    //     - B / Y send trackpad pressed in 0,0
    "emulatedTrackpadOnThumbstick": false,

    // Emulation mode for compatibility with older games
    // Values: None, HpMotionController, Holographic
    "controllerEmulationMode": "None"
  },
    // If motionReprojectionMode is disabled, these applications will still respect SteamVR settings
    "MotionReprojectionDisabledExceptions" : {
        "hlvr.exe" : true
    },
    "NoInterEyeRotation" : {
        "battlezone_dx11.exe" : true,
        "battlezone_dx12.exe" : true,
        "DOOMVFRx64.exe" : true,
        "Fallout4VR.exe" : true
    }
}
 

This setting is set to OFF, so I assume full speed ahead. 

 

 

 

that looks good, what about the settings in steamvr dashboard for  wmr next.

 

Edited January 29, 2021 by speed-of-heat

[davidp57]

23 hours ago, imacken said:

Sorry to tell you, but your calcs are wrong, and that is why you are seeing an improvement.  SteamVR SS factor is on total pixels, whereas DCS PD is on pixel density per axis.

So, 0.7 PD is actually equivalent to SteamVR SS of 0.7*0.7, i.e. 0.49.  Then, if you apply this to your 1.5 (150%), then your oveall figure is 0.735, not 1.05.

An example. Say you had 1000x1000 native, that would be 700x700 with a PD of 0.7 applied, i.e. 490,000 compared to your original 1,000,000. Then apply your SteamVR factor of 150% (1.5), then you have 490,000*1.5, i.e. 735,000, compared to your native 1,000,000. Not 1.5*0.7, which is where you are getting your 1.05 from.

 

Ah, this explains that.

I was so proud of my smart tip

Thanks for the heads-up, friend.

Edited January 29, 2021 by davidp57

[speed-of-heat]

1 minute ago, davidp57 said:

 

Ah, this explains that.

I was so proud of my smart tip

Thanks for the heads-up, friend.

 

and you have something else to add ?

[davidp57]

1 minute ago, speed-of-heat said:

and you have something else to add ?

No, what should I have to add ?

[speed-of-heat]

"a hanger vs a hangar"

[davidp57]

1 minute ago, speed-of-heat said:

"a hanger vs a hangar"

That one was correct, wasn't it ?

 

 

[speed-of-heat]

yes the sarcasm was unwarranted, unhelpful , and inaccurate... manners make man , last chance

Edited January 29, 2021 by speed-of-heat

[davidp57]

Well, let's not pollute this thread with that kind of petty discourse.

 

I take this last chance you generously give me as an occasion to explain myself, then I'll properly shut up and never talk about it again.

 

In my original reply, I said two different things :

1. a smart tip about using PD and SS to achieve the same result with better performance
2. a language lesson about writing words the way one hears them instead of the way they're written by Merriam Webster

I was proven wrong for the first part ; thanks to @imackenfor that, I stand corrected, and it'll help me get better perfs on my DCS VR (which is, incidently, the goal of this thread, if I'm not mistaken).

 

And unless you prove it to me, I was not wrong by saying that it's difficult to use a hanger to store a plane.

So, I don't know what you want from me, and where you see sarcasm. Any way, if by "manners make man" you mean that I should apologize to you, you could not be more wrong...

 

Any way, peace, love, and fox 3

Zip out.

[speed-of-heat]

nope;  i wont normalise poor behaviour on the internet anymore than i would in person.  

 

 

[Harlikwin]

17 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

that looks good, what about the settings in steamvr dashboard for  wmr next.

 

 

 

 

So... When I go to wmr for steamVR in steam this is what I get. I'm not sure its the same thing you posted, how do I get to what you posted?

 

The other interesting discovery I've made is that I cannot roll back the the 3090 driver, (greyed out option in the device manager) not sure if thats normal, or some special NVIDA BS.

 

Edited January 30, 2021 by Harlikwin

[speed-of-heat]

it can still be overridden in WMR's Steam Settings, by setting it to Motion Vector

[speed-of-heat]

you get there by running:

 

x:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MixedRealityVRDriver\bin\win64\OpenVRSettingsUX.exe

 

you can also get it from the steam menu in VR 

re the roll back, if you have a 3090, there is a minimum driver version you can use (I cant remember which version) before which the 3090 wasn't supported ... i'm currently on the latest version

[speed-of-heat]

Just noticed it’s the steam version, have you  using the regular version?  Also for thoroughness try this as an experiment, rename your saved games Directory for dcs, adds will create a new one... see if that does anything (you will need to re apply settings in dcs) see if that makes a difference (you can rename it back later).

[VitS]

It happened to me as well, 3090's performance was garbage. Doing clean reinstall of Nvidia Drivers and also resetting MSI afterburner settings did the trick. 

[Brainfreeze]

BTW... you should set your 'custom resolution multiplier' in steamVR at 100% (u r at 63%).  Then use a <1 PD in the DCS VR menu. Even though with a 3090 u should still be fine with PD left at 1 and 100%.