Hornet defensive systems update

[Wizard_03]

Great video by Wags. Questions I have are:

 

Can we expect 60/60 CM loadouts, the ability to deploy with master arm off, and programing with WOW In the next update? 

 

Thanks! 

 

[NineLine]

Hey Wizard, We plan to add a new flare type later that will increase the count. It is much more than just changing a data value. The next Hornet update will allow MAN programming with WOW. thanks!

[Creature_1stVFW]

Great stuff. Looks like Hornet is going to have a great update day. 

[Wizard_03]

1 hour ago, NineLine said:

Hey Wizard, We plan to add a new flare type later that will increase the count. It is much more than just changing a data value. The next Hornet update will allow MAN programming with WOW. thanks!

Oh ok I see, I Appreciate the info, looking forward to the update. We're on the home stretch now! 

[Andartu]

1 hour ago, Wizard_03 said:

"the ability to deploy with master arm off"

 

The Legacy Hornets actually cannot expend CM with Master Arm off. So this would be a "correct as is".

[Peter22]

So once ECM xmt activate the AA radar goes to standby mode???

Sorry mi ignorance!!!!

[Wizard_03]

2 hours ago, Andartu said:

The Legacy Hornets actually cannot expend CM with Master Arm off. So this would be a "correct as is".

Oh ok, yeah when the hornet first came out, many were absolutely certain you could, but I don't know myself. Maybe its a difference in suites or not legacy like you said. 

[Joni]

4 hours ago, NineLine said:

The next Hornet update will allow MAN programming with WOW

 

Great news!!!! Excellent! Thank you!

[Wizard_03]

1 hour ago, Peter22 said:

So once ECM xmt activate the AA radar goes to standby mode???

Sorry mi ignorance!!!!

Yeah from what I understand setting the dial to XMIT arms the system so when it detects a threat it does EW stuff to counter and that would also affect ownship radar so it silences it while it does it's thing. 

[Joni]

Just now, Wizard_03 said:

Yeah from what I understand setting the dial to XMIT arms the system so when it detects a threat it does EW stuff to counter and that would also affect ownship radar so it silences it while it does it's thing. 

 

Maybe it is so powerful that it would jam its own radar. 

[Nealius]

Will the ability to dispense chaff/flare with Master Arm OFF, as in reality, be fixed as well? This was reported around 2018 and there's been no word on fixing it since.

Edited January 9, 2021 by Nealius

[falcon_120]

I wonder if they dynamic we see in the video against SAM, will be also effective against airbone radars tracking you, as well as active missiles (amraams, phoenix,r77...)

[BIGNEWY]

7 hours ago, falcon_120 said:

I wonder if they dynamic we see in the video against SAM, will be also effective against airbone radars tracking you, as well as active missiles (amraams, phoenix,r77...)

 

of course. as mentioned in the video, it is effective against airborne and surface based radars

 

 

12 hours ago, Wizard_03 said:

Yeah from what I understand setting the dial to XMIT arms the system so when it detects a threat it does EW stuff to counter and that would also affect ownship radar so it silences it while it does it's thing. 

 

correct, when in XMIT, the system will only actively jam when the ownship is locked up in a guidance mode. when not locked, it automatically, uses REC only.

[Boogieman]

Interesting. So will the ASPJ placed in XMIT jam enemy fighter radars that are painting ownship in TWS mode, for example? Or will they be unaffected? 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Boogieman

[QuiGon]

3 hours ago, Boogieman said:

Interesting. So will the ASPJ placed in XMIT jam enemy fighter radars that are painting ownship in TWS mode, for example? Or will they be unaffected? 

 

They will be unaffected. It will only jam if hardlocked (STT).

[Harker]

So there isn't any way to deny range information by manually using the ASPJ? It'll only work if we're STT'd?

[Joni]

1 hour ago, Harker said:

So there isn't any way to deny range information by manually using the ASPJ? It'll only work if we're STT'd?

 

Appareantly no.

 

We will be in a universe where all ECM in every DCS aircraft works one way, and just one plane that works differently (hornet).

 

I love the way it looked from wags video. But it surely rises many questions about other current simulations in the same game.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Joni

[Wizard_03]

Having the ability to break someones lock with ECM is an enormous advantage, I'd take that over the current "jammers" that just make radar not lock beyond X range any day of the week. 

 

SARH missiles can basically be turned off now lol 

 

 

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Wizard_03

[Bunny Clark]

All the FC3 jammers seem to be a rudimentary noise jammer or barrage jammer, and nothing more. 

 

This function in the Hornet looks to be something like a range gate pull-off attack, which is totally different. I wonder if the ASPJ has additional modes or functions that we may yet be getting in the future? 

[Joni]

1 hour ago, Bunny Clark said:

All the FC3 jammers seem to be a rudimentary noise jammer or barrage jammer, and nothing more. 

 

This function in the Hornet looks to be something like a range gate pull-off attack, which is totally different. I wonder if the ASPJ has additional modes or functions that we may yet be getting in the future? 

 

Anyway, I understood that doppler radars didn't use range gate but a velocity gate.

[Harker]

6 hours ago, Wizard_03 said:

Having the ability to break someones lock with ECM is an enormous advantage, I'd take that over the current "jammers" that just make radar not lock beyond X range any day of the week.

Oh, most definitely, I'm not complaining in the slightest. I'm just wondering if we'll be able to have any control on when and how the ASPJ works. From the video, it seems like it's completely automatic. No idea how the real thing works, maybe it's solely intended for self-protection, as the name implies. I just think it'd be nice if we could also create an ECM environment in order to deny information, which we now cannot.

Again, no idea how the ALQ-165 works, maybe it's programmed to attack enemy radars only when they're locking you.

[Bunny Clark]

7 hours ago, Joni said:

 

Anyway, I understood that doppler radars didn't use range gate but a velocity gate.

They use both. Or more generally, pulse Doppler radars use frequency analyzation algorithms to solve both range and velocity ambiguity, and in both cases those algorithms are vulnerable to false return attacks by EW systems. 

[Boogieman]

So I've been looking through the control settings on the Hornet and I can't seem to find where I can bind ECM XMIT/OFF to anything? I have a BlackHog panel that I'd like to bind it to. Any clues? 

Edited January 11, 2021 by Boogieman

[HammerUK9]

11 hours ago, Harker said:

I just think it'd be nice if we could also create an ECM environment in order to deny information

 

I think that would come under dedicated EW and beyond the remit of 'self protection'.

[Bunny Clark]

10 hours ago, Boogieman said:

So I've been looking through the control settings on the Hornet and I can't seem to find where I can bind ECM XMIT/OFF to anything? I have a BlackHog panel that I'd like to bind it to. Any clues? 

 

There's never been one since release, probably because the switch has been completely nonfunctional. Hopefully we get it as an available keybind when we get functional ECM.