Video: Mi-24P introduction and comparison

[Viktor_UHPK]

Hi everyone!

In the past two weeks I have been working on a some video content about the Mi-24P. 

Part one is released. Enjoy.

 

https://youtu.be/4vPuAOr1uxM

Edited January 16, 2021 by Viktor_UHPK

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Nicely done! :-)

[ArjenHVA]

Awesome video!

[WinterH]

Great stuff, thanks!

[Lurker]

Well done!

[molevitch]

Exquisite video, production values are top notch, and the vocal delivery clear and precise, informative and engaging.

 

Well done, Viktor! Very much looking forward to the next one.

 

Mole

[AKULA_OPTIMUS]

Really nice stuff here

[Viktor_UHPK]

Thanks everyone! That's a great motivation and I am already working on part 2.

[Rogue Trooper]

excellent video, everything you want to know about the airframe is there.

looking forward to Vid 2. 

[Viktor_UHPK]

Hello everyone. Part 2 is now released. 

 

Part 2 - systems and capabilities

Edited April 10, 2021 by Viktor_UHPK

[Morrov]

14 minutes ago, Viktor_UHPK said:

Hello everyone. Part 2 is now released. 

 

Part 2 - systems and capabilities

 

 

I was eagarly waiting for this video, thank you!

[Lucas_From_Hell]

 

1 hour ago, Viktor_UHPK said:

Hello everyone. Part 2 is now released. 

 

Part 2 - systems and capabilities

 

Excellent video once again!

[Avimimus]

Brilliantly done!

 

[Dragon1-1]

Nicely done. BTW, the KMGU dispensers are available in DCS. Most modern Russian jets and the Ka-50 can carry it. It doesn't work all that well due to limitations around HEAT submunitions, but I've killed things with it while flying the Su-25.

[Northstar98]

4 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Nicely done. BTW, the KMGU dispensers are available in DCS. Most modern Russian jets and the Ka-50 can carry it. It doesn't work all that well due to limitations around HEAT submunitions, but I've killed things with it while flying the Su-25.

 

Yeah, and they're available in an anti-personnel and anti-armour variants (AO-2.5RT and PTAB-2.5KO bomblets respectively) but I don't think they're going to be available on the Mi-24P. Same story as the UPK-23-250 gun pods.

Edited April 11, 2021 by Northstar98

[Skidjit]

Love the videos! The 2nd one really got me stoked and answered a ton of questions about the "Papa" variant.

[SmukY]

It's actually the Pushka / Пушка, not the Papa - don't forget that it isn't an NATO aircraft.

Пушка means a gun, rifle, cannon.

 

Which by looking at that massive side twin barreled 30 mm cannon makes ... some sense.

[Lurker]

Nice, well done on part 2. One little nitpick though, I don't think that this module requires any more in-depth knowledge of the manual than any other module. Perhaps because of it's relative simplicity and fairly uncomplicated targeting and flight systems I would be willing to bet that it should be much easier to learn (but perhaps not master) the basics of this helicopter than any other module in the sim. Much easier than the flying computer called the AH64D in any case

[Viktor_UHPK]

On 4/14/2021 at 11:54 AM, Lurker said:

Nice, well done on part 2. One little nitpick though, I don't think that this module requires any more in-depth knowledge of the manual than any other module. Perhaps because of it's relative simplicity and fairly uncomplicated targeting and flight systems I would be willing to bet that it should be much easier to learn (but perhaps not master) the basics of this helicopter than any other module in the sim. Much easier than the flying computer called the AH64D in any case

 

It depends. While the AH-64 surely comes with more digital systems to learn, I am sure it is also more automated and requires less pre-flight checking and testing.

If you want to complete a Mi-24P pre-flight as per factory manual, you will be busy for 25-30 minutes with about 600 checklist items. 

 

Btw. Thank you for the very nice feedback everyone. It means a lot to me and motivates me to create more content.

Edited April 18, 2021 by Viktor_UHPK

[Maverick24]

8 hours ago, Viktor_UHPK said:

If you want to complete a Mi-24P pre-flight as per factory manual, you will be busy for 25-30 minutes with about 600 checklist items. 

That is not quite right. 7 minutes from sit down in cockpit to take off with calm procedures, including engines warm up. Measured directly at the source.

 

 

[Viktor_UHPK]

3 hours ago, Maverick24 said:

That is not quite right. 7 minutes from sit down in cockpit to take off with calm procedures, including engines warm up. Measured directly at the source.

 

 

 

Hi Maverick. 

There are different startup conditions (first flight of the day? flight with external load? flight at high altitude? training flight with operator at controls?) and different operation manuals for the Mi-24 around the world. That is why I have mentioned the "factory manual" ("Instruktia Ekipazhu"). To my knowledge it was used as the standard manual in the Soviet Union.

 

You probably already know this video. Of course it does show some diagrams / cut scenes. But it also misses quite a few (lengthy) checks from the manual. Flight deck inspection, pneumatic brake check, check of voltages of AC system, air bleed flap check, autopilot check etc.

 

All the best,

Viktor

 

https://youtu.be/DH_FNrZXgms?t=153

[Maverick24]

5 hours ago, Viktor_UHPK said:

 

Hi Maverick. 

There are different startup conditions (first flight of the day? flight with external load? flight at high altitude? training flight with operator at controls?) and different operation manuals for the Mi-24 around the world. That is why I have mentioned the "factory manual" ("Instruktia Ekipazhu"). To my knowledge it was used as the standard manual in the Soviet Union.

 

You probably already know this video. Of course it does show some diagrams / cut scenes. But it also misses quite a few (lengthy) checks from the manual. Flight deck inspection, pneumatic brake check, check of voltages of AC system, air bleed flap check, autopilot check etc.

 

All the best,

Viktor

 

https://youtu.be/DH_FNrZXgms?t=153

Hi, Victor,

 

With all respect and no try to flame - I did not like your way of comparsion with Apache so I had to step in  . Pre-flight check is not a startup and if you are talking about pre-flight, I am sure that Apache pilot has a lot things to do. 

 

Video you mentioned I know very well and I watch it many times, it´s so instructive .

 

Video I recorded including pre-flight check (by the pilot) is unfortunately non-public so I dont have a proof for you, but most of things you mentioned are a few-seconds-things, or should be done by the ground crew or flight engineer during preliminary preparation or pre-flight preparation far before pilots even came to helicopter. Pilot then make a walkaround and mostly by a view checking all items from inspection, right, but we are definetely talking about 3-4 minutes, not  25-30 minutes. 

 

Flight deck inspection - look to cargo compartment or cockpit a check if everything is on place - a few seconds

pneumatic brake check - is one gauge on tail - open, look, close - a few seconds

Check voltages of AC systems - a few positions on one switch, displayed on one gauge in cockpit - a few seconds

Autopilot check is provide after takeoff.

 

During cold war our helicopters on borders was able to be in air till 4 minutes. Basicaly - I agree - it depens on a mission. But from your text I understand Apache is more automatic and because of that is far more quick to get in the air than Hind and I had to correct, because it simply not true. 

 

It is very important make a difference between type of mission and way of preparation for it, but many things from these preparations are done before crew come. 

 

Yeah - manual is one thing but practical use and SOP is the other. Where we could come if every flight took 30 minutes to take off. 

 

But we could definitely talk about the details. 

 

Definitely no offense I am glad to chat

 

Jiri

Edited April 19, 2021 by Maverick24

[Fri13]

1 minute ago, Maverick24 said:

......but we are definetely talking about 3-4 minutes, not  25-30 minutes. 

 

1 minute ago, Maverick24 said:

During cold war our helicopters on borders was able to be in air till 4 minutes.

 

So if we have the helicopter prepared for the take-off, we are talking < 5 min from starting to wheels untouching the ground?

 

1 minute ago, Maverick24 said:

It is very important make a difference between type of mission and way of preparation for it, but many things from these preparations are done before crew come. 

 

I would like to see these requirements for various different start-up procedures etc. IMHO the DCS World requires more of damage modeling and systems modeling to get challenges for those who want to do full start-up procedure.

 

I admire the C-101 module developers as they have put a lot of effort for the proper emergency procedures and system failures and so on. That you can actually train those things and making mistakes makes malfunctions. 

 

But naturally need to be understood as well the need for many that want aircraft being ready to fly with automatic start-up script or Hot Start and so on. But would be nice to have all these small insightful tasks to be done correctly if it is just possible. 

 

As these start-up procedures is maybe one of the most overlooked things in DCS World, but it shows so much about the effort developers put to their work. 

[Maverick24]

1 minute ago, Fri13 said:

 

 

So if we have the helicopter prepared for the take-off, we are talking < 5 min from starting to wheels untouching the ground?

 

 

I would like to see these requirements for various different start-up procedures etc. IMHO the DCS World requires more of damage modeling and systems modeling to get challenges for those who want to do full start-up procedure.

 

I admire the C-101 module developers as they have put a lot of effort for the proper emergency procedures and system failures and so on. That you can actually train those things and making mistakes makes malfunctions. 

 

But naturally need to be understood as well the need for many that want aircraft being ready to fly with automatic start-up script or Hot Start and so on. But would be nice to have all these small insightful tasks to be done correctly if it is just possible. 

 

As these start-up procedures is maybe one of the most overlooked things in DCS World, but it shows so much about the effort developers put to their work. 

Yeah. Standard on borders was 5 minutes to gear up. 

 

Don´t get me wrong. For whole time I have Hip (since it was released  ) till these days I some times make a tea and do all checks I can, love those system details in there. And I deffinitely will do with a Hind too. 

[Zeagle]

Excellent video series. Subscribed!