Heatblur F-4 Phantom

[Tom Kazansky]

Here it is. Eurofighter + 2 new modules:

 

"But it was never meant to come before the EF, or, yes you are hearing right, the other two modules that are to come as well. Which are these? Well: we will tell you in due time."

Edited July 29, 2021 by Tom Kazansky

[Snappy]

3 minutes ago, Tom Kazansky said:

Here it is. Eurofighter + 2 new modules

Ah cool, even better ! Thanks a lot Tom!

 

 

[Tom Kazansky]

Yeah the good news is: F-4 from Heatblur is still possible.

[ustio]

so in total there is 4 upcoming modules right? Typhoon, A-6, 2 modules?

Edited July 29, 2021 by ustio

[Tom Kazansky]

1 hour ago, ustio said:

so in total there is 4 upcoming modules right? Typhoon, A-6, 2 modules?

 

That's how I read it too.

[Cpt. Weber]

So let's keep our hopes high and visible till the end. Phantom ftw 

[Skysurfer]

15 hours ago, Cpt. Weber said:

So let's keep our hopes high and visible till the end. Phantom ftw 

 

Yeah, naval version given the Forrestal and A-6 only makes sense for the era. As well as having Jester AI.

[ebabil]

C'mon guys please hurry and publish phantom already. There are only 4 countries left that are using phantoms in active service.

I don't want to fly a museum plane. I want to fly it while it is in service

[Spurts]

6 hours ago, ebabil said:

There are only 4 countries left that are using phantoms in active service.

 

4 countries still using an aircraft that saw initial entry to service 60 years ago.  Phabulous

[ghostdog688]

Japan has officially retired last year, leaving only Greece, Iran and Turkey:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37742/so-long-samurai-japan-bids-farewell-to-its-final-frontline-phantoms

I May be wrong, But I believe the only western design that’s outlived the phantom in terms of “still in front line use” is the B52.

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[Northstar98]

On 8/16/2021 at 5:01 PM, Skysurfer said:

Yeah, naval version given the Forrestal and A-6 only makes sense for the era. As well as having Jester AI.

 

Absolutely.

 

Regarding our Forrestal, we have at the earliest, an early 80s fit, making the F-4S the most suitable. From a pedantic standpoint I don't think it was based on any of the Forrestal class carriers for that timeframe, but for a short time it was still in service with the USN AFAIK.

Edited August 19, 2021 by Northstar98

[Mr. Big.Biggs]

From a purely economic standpoint, and of course acknowledging the rivet counting contingent, having  naval variant seems like  it would garner more sales as it can always be used on a landing strip but not the other way around. 
That said, I really don’t see why they are playing the “you guess “ game other than they have no firm plan in place at all and are buying time. Unless there all children, which I agree they aren’t. 
we shall see….

[WinterH]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Big.Biggs said:

From a purely economic standpoint, and of course acknowledging the rivet counting contingent, having  naval variant seems like  it would garner more sales as it can always be used on a landing strip but not the other way around. 

Having a naval variant is great, but if it is the only variant, and F-4E isn't there, I personally wouldn't buy it.

 

A naval F-4 can in no way shape or form represent an F-4E. E is just a lot better in strike missions with its oldie targeting pods, self lased LGBs, TV guided bombs, Mavericks, Shrikes etc. And it has a huge worldwide service history, with many conflicts/operations etc. Some countries still fly it.

 

As far as I'm concerned, no F-4 is a lot better than naval only F-4, because then at least there'll be hope someone might still do the E soon.

[ghostdog688]

On the other hand, I’m happy to take whatever phantom is offered. I have a personally preference towards the FGR 1 (the U.K. variant) but I have as much chance actually getting to fly a real one as I do getting to fly one in DCS. On the absence of that preference, I’ll take what I can get. A J or an E would suit me fine.


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[Northstar98]

17 hours ago, Mr. Big.Biggs said:

From a purely economic standpoint, and of course acknowledging the rivet counting contingent, having  naval variant seems like  it would garner more sales as it can always be used on a landing strip but not the other way around.

 

Personally, I think it's a necessity to have at least an F-4B/J/N/S (my preference being the F-4S, followed by the F-4J) and an F-4E.

 

The F-4S makes the most sense for HB's Forrestal, but the E was the most produced, and as WinterH said, it did have some desireable AG options that are desireable, which don't apply to USN/USMC Phantoms. Though as far as the F-4E goes, I'm only interested in a domestic variant/block.

 

My personal preference would be the British F-4M Phantom FGR.2 or F-4K Phantom FG.1 (from circa late 70s and onwards), but as it stands I think an F-4S and an F-4E (circa mid 70s) best fits DCS.

[LanceCriminal86]

On 8/19/2021 at 10:20 AM, ghostdog688 said:

Japan has officially retired last year, leaving only Greece, Iran and Turkey:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37742/so-long-samurai-japan-bids-farewell-to-its-final-frontline-phantoms

I May be wrong, But I believe the only western design that’s outlived the phantom in terms of “still in front line use” is the B52.

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C-130 first flight was in 1954, and KC-135 was adopted in 1956.

[arneh]

On 8/21/2021 at 12:58 AM, LanceCriminal86 said:

C-130 first flight was in 1954, and KC-135 was adopted in 1956.

Also the U-2 has been flying operational missions since about 1956.

[phant]

According to the latest interview from ED the Phantom is "definitely coming to DCS, and quite soon": if I remember correctly, about the Phantom the ED some time ago said that, probably, it would be a Third Party to take care of its development.

 

If this last indication were to be confirmed, everything suggests that HB is the Third Party in question and that "quite soon" could indicate the unannounced HB module that should be released before the Eurofighter and the Intruder.

 

 

Bye

Phant

[F-2]

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1 hour ago, phant said:

According to the latest interview from ED the Phantom is "definitely coming to DCS, and quite soon": if I remember correctly, about the Phantom the ED some time ago said that, probably, it would be a Third Party to take care of its development.

 

If this last indication were to be confirmed, everything suggests that HB is the Third Party in question and that "quite soon" could indicate the unannounced HB module that should be released before the Eurofighter and the Intruder.

 

 

Bye

Phant

in that same interview they said nothing had been submitted by any third party for review.

[Harlikwin]

2 hours ago, phant said:

According to the latest interview from ED the Phantom is "definitely coming to DCS, and quite soon": if I remember correctly, about the Phantom the ED some time ago said that, probably, it would be a Third Party to take care of its development.

 

If this last indication were to be confirmed, everything suggests that HB is the Third Party in question and that "quite soon" could indicate the unannounced HB module that should be released before the Eurofighter and the Intruder.

 

 

Bye

Phant

 

There some English version of that?

[QuiGon]

5 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

 

There some English version of that?

 

No, just a summary by @Minsky:

 

 

8 hours ago, phant said:

if I remember correctly, about the Phantom the ED some time ago said that, probably, it would be a Third Party to take care of its development.

 

I don't remember any such comment on the Phantom. ED said this about the Tornado, but not the Phantom.

 

In fact, ED's global business development director said a year ago, that he suspects that the Phantom will arrive in 2 years:

 

 

Edited September 6, 2021 by QuiGon

[ustio]

 

8 hours ago, phant said:

According to the latest interview from ED the Phantom is "definitely coming to DCS, and quite soon": if I remember correctly, about the Phantom the ED some time ago said that, probably, it would be a Third Party to take care of its development.

 

If this last indication were to be confirmed, everything suggests that HB is the Third Party in question and that "quite soon" could indicate the unannounced HB module that should be released before the Eurofighter and the Intruder.

 

 

Bye

Phant

It would be a bad move if ED announce a 3rd party module before the 3rd party dev announce it. Especially when its a highly anticipated module like this.

 

Besides im not sure if ED are willing to give a popullar aircraft that will give them big bucks

[QuiGon]

59 minutes ago, ustio said:

Besides im not sure if ED are willing to give a popullar aircraft that will give them big bucks

 

Especially as they (Ex-Belsimtek) have put in quite a bit of work already into the Phantom and had released WIP screenshots of it already.

Edited September 6, 2021 by QuiGon

[ustio]

might have to take back what i said. it seems BN are saying that ED are not making a Phantom

[Lt_Jaeger]

3 minutes ago, ustio said:

might have to take back what i said. it seems BN are saying that ED are not making a Phantom

 

 

That's what I remember too