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Hmm, I'm liking the Boeing B-29 and Douglas C-124 suggestions!!

 

I think filling out some of the Cold War aircraft would be a great benefit for when appropriate maps appear, be they Vietnam or Korea, or something else. They can benefit from the Channel map too. 

 

SAAB Gripen, English Electric Lighting, Lockheed F-104, F-4 Phantom variants (with and without internal cannons, as the profiles are very distinct! Also, the British Phantoms look a bit unique too), an old shark-tail B-52D, and an updated Tupolev Bear. Oh, and we can't forget the Dassault Mirage 3 both AI and hopefully a full module. 


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13 minutes ago, Rick50 said:

Hmm, I'm liking the B-29 and C-124 suggestions!!

 

For the B-29 there is @DOL's Mod, that can be used as AI:

 

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with a proper livery it even can be used as a Tu-4:

 

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🙂 ... sad that there is nothing for the C-124 😞

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It occured to me that we could use more Korean War era AI aircraft, like the F-9F Panther (1947-1958) and North American Fury, both carrier jets.

 

Could also consider the KC-97, the Boeing air tanker, a distant relative of the B-29 Superfortress. Not sure if the KC-97 ever was sent to Korea or if that was a later development, but would be cool for vintage scenarios.


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I'd like to see some more British ai assets. Tornado adv, lynx helicopter, puma helicopter. Nimrod, sea harrier, would like a decent model of the F4 as well. But not the ugly ones an F4J or K

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My list is published by Jane's but here are my general guidelines for era.

modern Red For- We know the Russian and PLAF won't let us have a FF playable module but I don't see why we  can't have AI J-15s, Su-30s, MiG-29K,M and 35s.

Vietnam era---------

IL-28, Tu-22

A-3, B-66

the century fighters- Ideally these should be flyable but AI would be good enough to give us something to escort or intercept.

 Korea and World War II

Anything Red For

B-29, 

Anything really

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Here goes:

  • Antonov 124
  • Antonov 225
  • Boeing KC-45 Pegasus
  • Boeing 777
  • Boeing 737 MAX
  • Boeing 787
  • HC-130J Combat King II
  • EA-18G (I know there's a mod that'll replace the F/A-18C hornet with it but still it'll replace the C model with it.)

Everything else I can think of has either been done or is a WIP.  I'd start w/ the An-124.

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I'd go with 737 to bring more live to DCS skies and add variety to mission design (peacetime traffic, incidents, VIP escort...)

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On 1/19/2022 at 7:41 AM, Beirut said:

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B-58 Hustler

Cool big stuff to escort and look at.

 

LOL!! Dunno how yer gonna escort a speed demon that's gonna run away on you in a hot minute...  but I approve your list just the same! And the Hustler is one of the coolest planes evar!

 

 

On 1/19/2022 at 7:25 AM, upyr1 said:

My list is published by Jane's but here are my general guidelines for era.

 

Hmm, nice list! 

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7 hours ago, Rick50 said:

 

LOL!! Dunno how yer gonna escort a speed demon that's gonna run away on you in a hot minute...  but I approve your list just the same! And the Hustler is one of the coolest planes evar!

 

 

It will come with an FF F-104.  :thumbup:

Some of the planes, but all of the maps!

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On 2/1/2021 at 8:01 PM, SovietAce said:

Early Cold War era needs some units desperately. There isnt much proper foes for MiG-15 and 19.

 

 B-29 is absolute must.

I would also liked to see B-47, B-36, B-45, IL-28 and Tu-4.

F-100 and F-104 are also needed, hoewer Its very possible that somebody could do those as FF.

Yes! Even more with Phantom coming...

For myself I would Add the F-8 or A-7, F-111, Mi-4, DHC-4 and CF-101 (Woodoo would be nice af flyable BTW)

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Given time it takes to make AI planes I think they can just make full fidelity models. I mean we have a fraction of AI only planes vs full fidelity planes.

That said if they could actually get some asses in gear. I would love a ww2 plane pack.

Me109G models 

FW190A3-A5.

Me110.

Typhoon 

B29

Wildcat 

Hellcat

A lot of Japanese planes

Also for more modern stuff official AI F35, F22, AH-6, Bell 412, Euro Copter.

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On 10/17/2022 at 1:00 PM, Gunfreak said:

Given time it takes to make AI planes I think they can just make full fidelity models. I mean we have a fraction of AI only planes vs full fidelity planes.

 

Not sure how you concluded that, but AI planes don't require even close to the efforts to make full modules. Especially full fidelity modules.

The reason we don't see too many AI being made by ED, is that AI planes don't really pay the bills, don't really bring in revenue.

Most of the AI planes that come with DCS are ones that originated back with the first LockOn or Flaming Cliffs era, maybe with a few upgrades here and there. Yes there are much more recent more detailed AI aircraft since then, and a few that are being worked on right now (B-1B, B-52H and SH-3 Viking) and a few ground units too. 

If ED slows or stops developing modules and leaves that to 3rd party devs, then we might see many interesting improvements, which would probably include more and better AI planes, but also better AI "pilots"  behaving better and more realistic, along with many other things. But that might require a major change in business strategy, with no guarantees.

As for the rest of your post, yes, that would be nice!

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5 hours ago, Rick50 said:

 

Not sure how you concluded that, but AI planes don't require even close to the efforts to make full modules. Especially full fidelity modules.

The reason we don't see too many AI being made by ED, is that AI planes don't really pay the bills, don't really bring in revenue.

Most of the AI planes that come with DCS are ones that originated back with the first LockOn or Flaming Cliffs era, maybe with a few upgrades here and there. Yes there are much more recent more detailed AI aircraft since then, and a few that are being worked on right now (B-1B, B-52H and SH-3 Viking) and a few ground units too. 

If ED slows or stops developing modules and leaves that to 3rd party devs, then we might see many interesting improvements, which would probably include more and better AI planes, but also better AI "pilots"  behaving better and more realistic, along with many other things. But that might require a major change in business strategy, with no guarantees.

As for the rest of your post, yes, that would be nice!

Doesn't matter the reason it takes so long, the end result is it takes about as long to get an AI only planes as it does to get a full module. Look at A6 from Heatblur or C47 from ED(which still isn't finished)

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30 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Doesn't matter the reason it takes so long, the end result is it takes about as long to get an AI only planes as it does to get a full module. Look at A6 from Heatblur or C47 from ED(which still isn't finished)

You're so wrong. Module making is taking years and so is AI but we're talking real time - you have no idea how many man hours it really takes or if the project was simply put aside for a long time. These projects usually have different teams and priorities. AI and modules have very little in common. While huge part is external 3D model with animations, DM and textures of course the rest is much simplified or simply lacking for AI. Think PFM, internal DM, cockpit and all systems behind it... these take another years of development.

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12 minutes ago, draconus said:

You're so wrong. Module making is taking years and so is AI but we're talking real time - you have no idea how many man hours it really takes or if the project was simply put aside for a long time. These projects usually have different teams and priorities. AI and modules have very little in common. While huge part is external 3D model with animations, DM and textures of course the rest is much simplified or simply lacking for AI. Think PFM, internal DM, cockpit and all systems behind it... these take another years of development.

And? Nothing you said has anything to do with what I said. You talk about theory. I'm talking about how long in actually takes to get AI planes in DCS now. And that takes about as long as a full modual. It took years to get the C47 in game and it's still not finished.  The A6 AI mod has been talked about for years by Heatblur but has bearly begun actual production if its even gotten that far.

You are talking about if IF the entire logistical structure of DCS production charges we might get more AI planes faster. But that's not gonna happen. So when  we wish for more AI planes. We might as well wish for full moduals as it would take the same amount of time to get it.

 

Yes in theory ED could mass produce 10 AI ww2 aircraft in 4 months. But ED isn't gonna do that. So when  I wish for a AI 109G, I might as well wish for a full fidelity 109G

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MS Flight Simulator module loader.  A shell AI that loads MSFS type modules, and converts into AI only, with simplest flight model. Just to create ambient air traffic of commercial ATS and private general aviation.

Seaplanes and amphibians. BE-12, BE-200, Japanese ShinMayva, general aviation float equipped aircraft.

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