Iowa-class battleships

[upyr1]

if we get the Iowas is there any chance that we could have 2 or 3 models.  A 1940s, 1960s (when I believe they removed the catapult and crane for helicopters) and a 1980s? 

[Jester986]

We'll be lucky to get an Iowa, much less Iowas.

[upyr1]

On 2/17/2021 at 3:50 PM, Jester986 said:

We'll be lucky to get an Iowa, much less Iowas.

I thought the ships were basically the same except for the Hull number, and the only thing they would need to change is remove some 5 inch guns for missiles. 

Edited February 19, 2021 by upyr1

[Jester986]

We've yet to get a real WW2 combat ship in the assets pack. And if you follow Razbams south Atlantic discord where they're making alot if falklands assets it gives an insifht into the work it takes to make a ship. Given that and the relatively low priority a battleship would be for the Pacific scenerios were most likely to get Id say the priorities will be Carriers,  destroyers, cruisers and then battleships and thats all for both sides. Then there's ground and air assets. Look how long the Ju-88 ai was in development. And when we do get a battleship will it be a late war Iowa or an earlier class that saw more action? And now if we get an Iowa will ED care enough to make it useful for multiple time periods by making several different models? I doubt it. Anyway sorry to crap on your wish. I don't think its a bad idea at all. Just watching from the outside and developing a picture of the internal logic ED uses to develop assets it seems very unlikely to me. For example we still don't We have two middle east maps and no toyota with a Dshka mounted on it.

[upyr1]

On 2/22/2021 at 9:14 AM, Jester986 said:

We've yet to get a real WW2 combat ship in the assets pack. And if you follow Razbams south Atlantic discord where they're making alot if falklands assets it gives an insifht into the work it takes to make a ship. Given that and the relatively low priority a battleship would be for the Pacific scenerios were most likely to get Id say the priorities will be Carriers,  destroyers, cruisers and then battleships and thats all for both sides. Then there's ground and air assets. Look how long the Ju-88 ai was in development. And when we do get a battleship will it be a late war Iowa or an earlier class that saw more action? And now if we get an Iowa will ED care enough to make it useful for multiple time periods by making several different models? I doubt it. Anyway sorry to crap on your wish. I don't think its a bad idea at all. Just watching from the outside and developing a picture of the internal logic ED uses to develop assets it seems very unlikely to me. For example we still don't We have two middle east maps and no toyota with a Dshka mounted on it.

I'm thinking the Iowas would be a good choice for the blufor battleships since the USS Iowa and Wisconsin both were at the Marianas and served off and on until the 1990s.

 

[upyr1]

Imagine this as a dcs mod and those big guns blazing away. 

https://www.youtube.com/live/dhgtNs_fWag?si=m-yUZhvjtfcgjYng

[upyr1]

https://www.youtube.com/live/dhgtNs_fWag?si=m-yUZhvjtfcgjYng

[Gunfreak]

2 hours ago, upyr1 said:

Imagine this as a dcs mod and those big guns blazing away. 

https://www.youtube.com/live/dhgtNs_fWag?si=m-yUZhvjtfcgjYng

The problem with having an Iowa Class battleship is you'll get a Steven Segal infestation..

[upyr1]

28 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

The problem with having an Iowa Class battleship is you'll get a Steven Segal infestation..

That's OK I heard he was a decent cook 

[Dragon1-1]

That would be great, although ideally we'd have a WWII and a modern variant of the battleships, as they were upgraded a bit for their recommissioning. They were pretty great for short bombardment, though.

[352ndDeacon]

The Iowa class battleship is already available as a mod. 

[upyr1]

2 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

That would be great, although ideally we'd have a WWII and a modern variant of the battleships, as they were upgraded a bit for their recommissioning. They were pretty great for short bombardment, though.

I figure 2 variants would be the minimum, one of the reasons I'd love to see the Iowas is the simple fact that except for the 1970s at least one of the ships saw action every decade of the Cold War as well as World War II. The ships went through 2 or 3 refits in World War II, I believe the main difference between the Korean War and late World War II configuration is the removal of the catapults for helicopter operations, then there is the New Jersey's 1960s configuration which used Zuni rockets to launch chaff, then finally we have the 1980s refits. Depending on how pedantic you want to be you could have up to 6 models of New Jersey alone 

 Anyway, in terms of internal models, the mechanical computers were constant through out their service lives so it would be a matter of modeling the electronics upgrades and the missile battery controls in the CEC that was added in the 1980s

[upyr1]

28 minutes ago, 352ndDeacon said:

The Iowa class battleship is already available as a mod. 

I know about it and I have it. However, I'm not just asking for the Iowa-class battleships as an AI asset, but ideally, I would like a module. I believe the Iowas would be the ideal choice for the first DCS naval modules.  Anyway, even as AI assets, there are a host of reasons I prefer official assets over mods, and I use a lot of mods. Even as AI assets to do them right we'd need an overhaul of amphibious warfare. 

 

[Gunfreak]

1 hour ago, 352ndDeacon said:

The Iowa class battleship is already available as a mod. 

Which isn't very helpful for campaigns or other official stuff that would never use a mod. Mods can also break the game.

Cool to have, but no substitute for an official one.

[upyr1]

16 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Which isn't very helpful for campaigns or other official stuff that would never use a mod. Mods can also break the game.

Cool to have, but no substitute for an official one.

I use the Iowa-mod, and there are somethings that can never be fixed as a mod. On the AI side we don't have forward observers or artillery spotting aircraft. Next if you are shelling a target area you can't pick which caliber and shell type to use. They will fire anything in range. Next, we also need a way to pick a ship's load out. As I stated earlier I would love a playable Iowa-class module I could just see the videos with Wags and Ryan Scimanzki about the DCS: Iowa-class module 

[upyr1]

On 3/22/2024 at 7:29 AM, 352ndDeacon said:

The Iowa class battleship is already available as a mod. 

I know, I have it and use it. However official assets are always better than mods because ED is supposed to keep them up to date along with DCS core. Next I'm also asking to get a full blown Iowa module. The Iowa-class would be the ideal choice for the first naval module after the super carrier. The Iowas served off and on from Feburary 1943 to  September 1992.  The entire class has been preserved as musems 

[upyr1]

On 3/22/2024 at 4:43 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

That would be great, although ideally we'd have a WWII and a modern variant of the battleships, as they were upgraded a bit for their recommissioning. They were pretty great for short bombardment, though.

A WWII and modern would be the bare minimum. The 1980s variant(s) need to be in DCS core and the World War II variant(s) should be in the WW II asset pack.  The number of possible Iowa models would really on how pedantic you want to get.  During World War II there were 3 bridge configurations and some differences in AA and antinae as they went through a few refits. 

Open- IOWA and NEW JERSEY had this configuration when they were first built

Round- unique to NEW JERSEY

Square- what all 4 have today if we can only have 1 WWII Iowa model this would be the one to have.

All 4 ships today https://inchhighguy.wordpress.com/2021/08/18/how-to-tell-the-iowa-class-battleships-apart/

IOWA and WISCONSIN have a slightly different bow than NEW JERSEY and MISSORI

They all have different amounts of teak and NEW JERESY's got a unique superstructure.

Then in between there is the Korean war configuration which is basically the late WWII with the catapult removed so the fantail can accommodate helicopters then the NEW JERSEY's Vietnam configuration which removed the dedicated AA guns and saw the superstructure modified to the t shape to house ECM gear and I believe the zuni rockets for chaff.