Stingray 537 Mongo Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 In this week's newsletter ED said that the 2.7 update will move the Hornet from EA to Release status. That is awesome and I'm so glad the Hornet will finally be finished. What worries me though is that a long time ago there was talk about data cartridges being made available for the Hornet in the mission editor for things like CMS profiles, laser codes and whatnot. That was conspicuously absent from the list of new features that will be released with the 2.7 update though. So my question is, are we getting data cartridges for the Hornet from ED or will we need to keep having to use third party software like CombatFlite to "simulate" that feature? 7 537 Mongo CO vVF-161 Fightin' Stingrays Check us out on the web! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gierasimov Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Last time I heard about this it was said ED is working on a common feature that can be used with multiple modules. Therefore it was moved to core game feature rather than module specific in my opinion. 4 Intel i7-13700KF :: ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI D4 :: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 537 Mongo Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Gierasimov said: Last time I heard about this it was said ED is working on a common feature that can be used with multiple modules. Therefore it was moved to core game feature rather than module specific in my opinion. Thanks. I must have missed that. I tried searching in the core forum and the closest thing I found was back in December where ED said it was "in the works" but they wouldn't elaborate further. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. 537 Mongo CO vVF-161 Fightin' Stingrays Check us out on the web! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) Yeah, plus the DTC is only half the story IMO; we also need a full mission planner, which should be available either before start (in the lobby) or with aircraft on the ground using the ground crew menu. For the Hornet, it should at least allow you to edit all 3 of your flight plans, the countermeasures, pre-planned targets, default radio presets, IFF plan (or at least I think - in any case it won't be much use until IFF is simulated in greater fidelity - like the JF-17), and pre-planned threats. Let me know if there's something I missed. Here's what it would need for the F-16 at least. Edited March 28, 2021 by Northstar98 3 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Northstar98 said: Yeah, plus the DTC is only half the story IMO; we also need a full mission planner, which should be available either before start (in the lobby) or with aircraft on the ground. For the Hornet, it should allow you to edit all 3 of your flight plans, the countermeasures, pre-planned targets, default radio presets, IFF plan (or at least I think - in any case it won't be much use until IFF is simulated in greater fidelity - like the JF-17), and pre-planned threats. Let me know if there's something I missed. Here's what it would need for the F-16 at least. Waypoints/Sequences Radar Presets TACAN GPS settings and points Winds ALR-67 setting CIT MIDS PB Threats SA setting Points/Lines/Areas TAMMAC ROE ARC-210 setting DCS misc setting ALE-47 setting JDAM JSOW SLAM-ER HARM 8 1 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) On 3/13/2021 at 12:19 AM, Swiftwin9s said: Waypoints/Sequences Radar Presets TACAN GPS settings and points Winds ALR-67 setting CIT MIDS PB Threats SA setting Points/Lines/Areas TAMMAC ROE ARC-210 setting DCS misc setting ALE-47 setting JDAM JSOW SLAM-ER HARM Awesome, thanks! I wonder what the ALR-67 settings would allow you to change? And I guess the JDAM/JSOW settings will just have all the PB targets and terminal parameters? Edited March 28, 2021 by Northstar98 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Northstar98 said: Awesome, thanks! I wonder what the ALR-67 settings would allow you to change? And I guess the JDAM/JSOW settings will just have all the PB targets and terminal parameters? No idea, perhaps something about which symbol is shown for each emitter, maybe new emitter profiles. The important thing to remember is that a lot of those settings are way way out of the scope of the DCS simulation, not just classification, but complexity too. 1 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Swiftwin9s said: No idea, perhaps something about which symbol is shown for each emitter, maybe new emitter profiles. The important thing to remember is that a lot of those settings are way way out of the scope of the DCS simulation, not just classification, but complexity too. Fair enough. Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 I'm looking forward to this too. I forget where it was reported but I it was said that the coder working on the LITENING pod had to finish that and then the DTC was the next job. So with any luck it's in progress. Don't know if you've seen it but in the "mission" lua inside a .miz there are already lines of code specifying the data cartridge - they just don't have any data in them yet; ["dataCartridge"] = { ["GroupsPoints"] = { ["PB"] = { }, -- end of ["PB"] ["Sequence 2 Red"] = { }, -- end of ["Sequence 2 Red"] ["Start Location"] = { }, -- end of ["Start Location"] ["Sequence 1 Blue"] = { }, -- end of ["Sequence 1 Blue"] ["Sequence 3 Yellow"] = { }, -- end of ["Sequence 3 Yellow"] ["A/A Waypoint"] = { }, -- end of ["A/A Waypoint"] ["PP"] = { }, -- end of ["PP"] ["Initial Point"] = { }, -- end of ["Initial Point"] }, -- end of ["GroupsPoints"] ["Points"] = { }, -- end of ["Points"] }, -- end of ["dataCartridge"] I found this because I've just started learning INS/GPS weapons like the JSOW and wondered if there was a way to get the info from my stored waypoints in the Mission Editor into the game directly for PP attacks, without the button pressing. Seems this is a common wish as there is a remarkable hack with "Waypoint Editor" using OCR to read your F10 map and then press the UFC buttons for you. Pretty bizzare to watch the ghost in the machine! 3 AMD 5600X in an ASUS ROG STRIX B550-E GAMING, 32GB RAM, with an MSI GeForce RTX 3070. HP Reverb G2 F/A-18C - F-14A/B - AV-8B - A-10C II - AH-64D - UH-1H - Spitfire LF Mk IX - Mosquito FB VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_j25 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I have been wondering if this is still WIP too, I hope ED are still planning on bringing it to not just the Hornet but also F16 and other aircraft that support DTC's Its a function that is a big factor for how these jets operate. 3 Matt Jensen i7 8700K, 32GB DDR4 RAM, GTX 1080ti, Windows 10, 1TB SSD, Saitek X-55 Rhino, Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedals, Track IR 5 Pro Clip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt_j25 said: I have been wondering if this is still WIP too, I hope ED are still planning on bringing it to not just the Hornet but also F16 and other aircraft that support DTC's Its a function that is a big factor for how these jets operate. I mean, the mission planner should also support aircraft that don't have DTCs - there it would be use to change things like laser codes for bombs, radio preset channels, default countermeasure programs (think F-5E-3) and IFF (when/if that gets better implemented, with more fidelity). 2 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 DTC should have been priority over AG radar... been talked about since 2018. What is the hold up... 1 www.v303rdFighterGroup.com | v303 FG Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOPR Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 1:41 PM, surreal but nice said: I'm looking forward to this too. I forget where it was reported but I it was said that the coder working on the LITENING pod had to finish that and then the DTC was the next job. So with any luck it's in progress. Don't know if you've seen it but in the "mission" lua inside a .miz there are already lines of code specifying the data cartridge - they just don't have any data in them yet; Has anyone tried directly editing this structure in the miz file, filling it in with a LUA script, or perhaps with the waypoint properties editor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob030 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) +1 Programing JDAMs on free flight servers is a pain and error prone Edited September 11, 2021 by bob030 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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