RealSimulator Product Line

[Burt]

Is it possible to add RealSimulator product thread to the input/output thread for sharing information. 

https://realsimulator.com/shop/

 

 

[Maduce]

Are RS stand along grips or can you use it to on a Thrustmaster Warthog base? 

[Burt]

Well I gonna be using the warthog grip with the base. I’m not sure about rs grip on warthog. Sorry maybe email them. The grips a have a lot more programmable features

Edited March 17, 2021 by Burt

[Maduce]

You kind of answered my question, after posting it I got to thinking that I would probably replace my base with theirs. So Thanks!

[Burt]

No prob. My base is already shipped and I  ordered it yesterday. I am probably going to get the viper grip in a couple of weeks.

 

[VpR81]

On 3/17/2021 at 6:12 PM, Maduce said:

Are RS stand along grips or can you use it to on a Thrustmaster Warthog base?

RS grips can be used with the Warthog base as well as with Virpil bases. However, the standard RS F-16 grip only has full functionality on the RS base. The F-16 collectors edition and the F-18 CGRH do have a bluetooth module installed and can be connected via BT for full functionality on both, the Virpil and Warthog base while using the base only for axis input and power supply. As long as you can ensure power supply (i.e. via battery pack), those can also be used standalone without any base (like a VR controller) as they also have a gyro sensor for axis input. I used the F-18 CGRH on a Warthog base and now on a Virpil T50 base. The base is only for power supply and axis input, while button input is done via BT. But there are only very few BT dongles that can provide a stable connection with the RS grips. I have the ASUS BT400 and never had any disconnects, runs like a charm.

[Burt]

I went ahead and got the F16 stick. Super duper fast shipping my base is out for delivery today and I ordered 3 days ago that’s amazing !!!!

[PicklePicklePickle]

I also just ordered their F-16 F16SGRH stick and the FSSB-R3 base. I have been using the Thrustmaster warthog for the F-16C and the huge travel on the stick(really intended to model the A-10) was really bothering me. I was looking for a stick that modelled the force-sensing F-16 stick more closely, and was very glad to find this option. They are super responsive, they even immediately emailed me back on a weekend to make sure I understood the F-16 angle adapter did not work with the F16SGRH. Clearly very dedicated folks.

 

One thing I didn't see anywhere in the RealSimulator specs is how much the stick moves. On the real f-16 they settled on a very small amount of deflection, i'm curious if the RealSimulator device moves at all, but I expect it will still be closer to the real thing than the huge travel on the TM warthog

 

I asked them about the F-16 throttle but they only sell it as part of an entire professional sim pit installation. It is so amazing to me, that the F-16 is the most common fighter in existence, yet there isn't a single F-16 throttle option out there other than hunting for a used Cougar.

[Supmua]

On 3/21/2021 at 3:39 PM, PicklePicklePickle said:

I also just ordered their F-16 F16SGRH stick and the FSSB-R3 base. I have been using the Thrustmaster warthog for the F-16C and the huge travel on the stick(really intended to model the A-10) was really bothering me. I was looking for a stick that modelled the force-sensing F-16 stick more closely, and was very glad to find this option. They are super responsive, they even immediately emailed me back on a weekend to make sure I understood the F-16 angle adapter did not work with the F16SGRH. Clearly very dedicated folks.

 

One thing I didn't see anywhere in the RealSimulator specs is how much the stick moves. On the real f-16 they settled on a very small amount of deflection, i'm curious if the RealSimulator device moves at all, but I expect it will still be closer to the real thing than the huge travel on the TM warthog

 

I asked them about the F-16 throttle but they only sell it as part of an entire professional sim pit installation. It is so amazing to me, that the F-16 is the most common fighter in existence, yet there isn't a single F-16 throttle option out there other than hunting for a used Cougar.

The stick moves only a few mm when used on the FSSB base, just like the real thing.  You don’t need the angle adapter because the grip is already angled (forward) like the real F-16 grip.

 

The next Realsimulator’s HOTAS is the F-35 replica as shown on their website.  I’m hoping that they will split the throttle base and grip like they do with their joystick counterpart, with support for multiple grips (F-35, F-16, etc.).  This would be practical as a lot of people are waiting for an F-16 throttle for their setup.  I might have more info soon.

Edited March 23, 2021 by Supmua

[PicklePicklePickle]

Thanks for the information. I found a video review of the FSSB-R3 on you tube, which showed the small travel as well....perfect for the Viper! The author of the video was using the warthog stick which seems to have an issue in that it is not built to be tugged on a forced sensing base, and eventually gets loose. The guy was using a lego piece as a shim, funny.

 

RealSimulator shipped my complete order the next business day, incredible service so far.

 

I really like this idea of exchangeable throttle grips. I was actually pondering whether something similar could be done for the TM warthog throttle, as in a replacement grip to replace the A-10 throttle. There are already face plates for the TM throttle for the F-16, I wonder how difficult attaching a custom grip would be....I'm assuming the number of control channels on the grip is sufficient for the F-16...haven't counted them.

[Supmua]

Durability of the base or grip is dependent on you force sensitivity settings.  If you set it to mimic the real thing by requiring high force input to push the aircraft, the Warthog grip which is a 10-yr old design can break at the connector as it wasn’t designed for this (The F-16SGRH grip has much more durable connector and was created especially for the FSSB).  Lower the force settings and the entire setup will last longer, mine hasn’t had any major issues in years.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Supmua

[Supmua]

Ok I’m able to confirm that the new throttle base design will support multiple throttle grips.  This will be similar to Winwing’s concept.  I wouldn’t  be surprised if other peripheral makers will follow this path since we already see this in joysticks. 

[PicklePicklePickle]

I received the FSSB-R3 and F16SGRH and am loving it! The construction is top notch, and the software is great(imagine that).

 

The precision is incredible. The number of options in the software can be daunting at first, but I've also learned some things I never even heard about such as the NASA roll/pitch sensitivity.

 

Can't wait to see a throttle from these folks. I guess I'm just going to try and find a cougar throttle for now.

[Supmua]

With the FSSB R3L, 4.0 lbs of force input (called sensibility in the software) is the desired lowest limit so avoid setting a value lower than this otherwise the effect might be unpredictable.

 

The throttle should be as great as other products from Realsimulator.

[streakeagle]

Someday I am going to get the FSSB and F16 grip. My collection of controllers would not be complete without it. However it is a luxury, principally because I rarely fly the F-16. The F-35 throttle is a monster. I have not interest in the F-35, but if the throttle will support other types, I am interested in it.

[Toumal]

I ordered FSSB R3 + F16SGRH on Sunday, they arrived this morning. I had zero issues getting this up and running. The software is functional and easy enough to understand.

The stick is super light compared to the warthog, but feels very solid. Nothing rattles, nothing squeaks. The stick is plastic but it's the good and grippy kind, much like on a new Glock (minus the rifling/stippling of course). I was relieved to find this was NOT the kind of velvety plastic surface that usually turns into sticky goo after a year or two.

The fact that weapon release and a few other pushbuttons are now also 8 way directional controls did worry me at first, but it's not at all a problem and if you don't want to use them that way, you'll hardly ever notice. Oh and DMS and TMS now have a push down function as well. Everything is clicky, which may not be to everyone's liking, but I don't mind. The base of the stick is really sturdy, I love the beefy screw and the guide lugs that make certain that you're not going to break your connector pins while inserting.

 

The lack of physical movement makes it feel like your brain is wired directly to the jet, a little bit like mind control. It can be a bit tempting to overcontrol during tense moments, but other than that I don't feel like I have to "relearn how to fly" or anything like that. I was honestly expecting much more of a transition time. But after flying just a few times... I really like this. And of course there's no comparison to the warthog base. Landings, air refueling... fine maneuvers feel a lot more precise. I don't overshoot simply because the stiffness of the spring mechanism in the WH base anymore. 

Conrary to what @Supmua recommended I did lower the input force to around 3 lbs, with no negative side effects. I found you could go even lower to 2lbs or less. 

 

Negatives... for one, the trim hat feels a bit more loose. The good thing is that it's clicky so any trim action is deliberate, but it's not as firm as on the WH.

The 8 way function on the pinky is a bit pointless, who'll ever use that?

The paddle is made out of plastic. It's very sturdy and doesn't feel like it's going to break, but still, the WH stick's metal paddle is more reassuring.

 

To be fair, I mostly ordered the F16 stick because I wanted to keep my WH stick on a virpil stick base for F14, F18 and A-10 flying. But wow, I love that thing for the F16. It just feels right. In terms of force it's perfectly suited for monstertech table mounts. I did lower the required force a bit but that was not out of fear for mount stability, just a matter of personal taste.

 

 

Should you get this over other high-quality joystick bases if you fly a lot of warbirds or helicopters or other center stick jets? I'd say no. It's just my personal opinion but to me it just feels wrong to use this for a P51, just as it feels wrong to use a virpil stick with 20mm extension for the F16. *CAN* you use it for everything? Absolutely. 

In terms of precision, I feel the same amount of fine control as on a virpil base with extension, maybe even more. YMMV of course. All I can say is that I'm really happy with this, I'll most likely use it for the F16 and space games, while using the virpil + extension for the classic stuff.

[Phantom88]

I concur with Tourmal's post above...The Resin RealSimulator uses in their Product line if of High Quality.It has a great feel and doesn't have that "Plastic,Toy like" feel you'll get in other add-on grips.

I like and enjoy the F-16 grip so much I also bought The F-18 Grip that I also use on The FSSB R3 Lightning base.

Can't wait to see their new product line, Hoping  that discussions of a F-16 Throttle are correct.

[Supmua]

Yes, the feel of high density resin is really good vs typical plastics.

 

The F-35 HOTAS is their first priority and we should have more official info soon.  Since the throttle base is designed to support multiple grips (sort of like their FSSB R3L joystick base), it is natural that we will see other throttle grips as well and the F-16C one is being the most requested from customers.  Keep in mind though that this is the linear throttle system, which is different from the typical rotary type.  For me, the F-35 throttle grip might be the only thing I will use for single engine planes since it will have more inputs than anything else out there; and it's got great ergonomics and modern/organic look.

Edited May 2, 2021 by Supmua

[RogueSqdn]

On 4/27/2021 at 9:21 AM, Toumal said:

The 8 way function on the pinky is a bit pointless, who'll ever use that?

 

I use left/right on it for VR zoom and VR spyglass.

[Toumal]

An F16 throttle would be amazing - but it would have to have a few of the adjacent panel switches as well, like the Warthog and Winwing F18 throttle.

[Burt]

I just got my R3L and F16 grip mounted on my Monstertech desk mounts and installed the RS program with no issues. Had to rebind stick commands through DCS. The RS program  is not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I only care about the pitch and Roll lbs right now. But this product is definitely a night and day experience, it’s like starting over and relearning. I fly center stick with the warthog grip so I not sure what to do now as far relocating the stick to the side as a normal viper pit but I mostly comfortable in the Hornet and the Tomcat so things have changed and just feel like I’m back to square one. I’m really want to get use to the change. This product is definitely a high tech quality piece of art.

Edited May 2, 2021 by Burt