What would be your preferred F-4 variant?

[NateDoggGaming]

Personally my favorite would be a F-4G wild weasel.

[Northstar98]

RAF F-4M Phantom FGR.2 circa late 70s/80s (w. Skyflash and ARI. 18228).

Edited March 19, 2021 by Northstar98

[Mr. Big.Biggs]

Didn’t we just go through 20 pages of this?
just asking..... 

[Buzzles]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Big.Biggs said:

Didn’t we just go through 20 pages of this?
just asking..... 

Yeah, this thread:

There really just needs to be a pinned thread for the most common ones atm, to cut down all the extra threads.

Edited March 19, 2021 by Buzzles

[exhausted]

F-4S or maybe J.

 

It wouldn't make sense for B, C, D, E or F.

[jojyrocks]

Personally, I'd wish for the most famous and widely sold F-4E and it is more versatile in being truly Multi role/ Multi - purpose and the internal cannon is an added bonus if you run out of missiles or miss, thereby giving you a lot more options. And yes, this is the one that had been ballparked by ED. More sales value in relation with development costs.

 

But, for a special variant. I'd hope for the British variant, one with the Rolls Royce, it gives us a lot more options with our upcoming Falkland map. More sales value in relation with development costs here as well.

 

Even Still...I see the regular USN/USMC F-4J having more likely possibility of being done....no probs with those either. 

 

- Not interested in: B, C, D Phantoms... too dated...

 

- Certainly not interested in the Niche Wild Weasel and Recon Phantoms that are just only meant for Single type missions.

 

 

So ultimately it is hard to say...but for me, and I am quite sure the majority of players here will have no probs of the following Phantoms. E (this is extra versatile having a built in cannon), Any late doable Naval variants.

 

RR British would be good to if we do have the info availability on these rare types...

 

Edited March 19, 2021 by jojyrocks

[upyr1]

1 hour ago, NateDoggGaming said:

Personally my favorite would be a F-4G wild weasel.

If possible that would be awesome. 

1 hour ago, Buzzles said:

Yeah, this thread:

There really just needs to be a pinned thread for the most common ones atm, to cut down all the extra threads.

 

I think we got some Phantom Phanatics around here my answer remains the same B,C, D,E, F (Ice),G, J,K,M, N, and  S in short as many as I can afford. 

[IkarusC42B Pilot]

One of the more recent variants that has the most content and put something new and different then the modules we have on the table

[upyr1]

58 minutes ago, IkarusC42B Pilot said:

One of the more recent variants that has the most content and put something new and different then the modules we have on the table

So the ice? 

[IkarusC42B Pilot]

42 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

So the ice? 

Huh?

[upyr1]

53 minutes ago, IkarusC42B Pilot said:

Huh?

The last upgrade the Germans did to their Phantom was called ICE http://www.f-4.nl/f4_18.html basically it involved installing the F-18's avionics on their F-4s

[IkarusC42B Pilot]

34 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

The last upgrade the Germans did to their Phantom was called ICE http://www.f-4.nl/f4_18.html basically it involved installing the F-18's avionics on their F-4s

Oh

[Wizard_03]

F-4J

[Harry.R]

1 minute ago, Wizard_03 said:

F-4J

+ 1 & F4K/M

[Vampyre]

F-4E DMAS/ARN-101, F-4G Wild Weasel V, F-4J, F-4S... and a RF-4C.

[flavnet]

F-4E!!!!

[NateDoggGaming]

On 3/19/2021 at 4:25 PM, jojyrocks said:

Personally, I'd wish for the most famous and widely sold F-4E and it is more versatile in being truly Multi role/ Multi - purpose and the internal cannon is an added bonus if you run out of missiles or miss, thereby giving you a lot more options. And yes, this is the one that had been ballparked by ED. More sales value in relation with development costs.

 

But, for a special variant. I'd hope for the British variant, one with the Rolls Royce, it gives us a lot more options with our upcoming Falkland map. More sales value in relation with development costs here as well.

 

Even Still...I see the regular USN/USMC F-4J having more likely possibility of being done....no probs with those either. 

 

- Not interested in: B, C, D Phantoms... too dated...

 

- Certainly not interested in the Niche Wild Weasel and Recon Phantoms that are just only meant for Single type missions.

 

 

So ultimately it is hard to say...but for me, and I am quite sure the majority of players here will have no probs of the following Phantoms. E (this is extra versatile having a built in cannon), Any late doable Naval variants.

 

RR British would be good to if we do have the info availability on these rare types...

 

 

All fair points, but it's not like we don't have a cold war aircraft in game. However, we actually don't have any true wild weasel aircraft so at least in my opinion it would be nice to have the G

[Fri13]

14 minutes ago, NateDoggGaming said:

However, we actually don't have any true wild weasel aircraft so at least in my opinion it would be nice to have the G

 

What makes the F-4G a "true wild weaser" aircraft?

I would have thought that now F-16CM would make great for that?

 

[NateDoggGaming]

38 minutes ago, Fri13 said:

 

What makes the F-4G a "true wild weaser" aircraft?

I would have thought that now F-16CM would make great for that?

 

From what I know, it means dedicated SEAD/DEAD aircraft, but I'm not sure. Also, modern multirole aircraft absolutely can do wild weaseling/SEAD but not like true wild weasel aircraft.

[Fri13]

16 minutes ago, NateDoggGaming said:

From what I know, it means dedicated SEAD/DEAD aircraft, but I'm not sure.

 

Yes, but what technology makes it such.

 

Quote

Also, modern multirole aircraft absolutely can do wild weaseling/SEAD but not like true wild weasel aircraft.

 

Again it is question that what the F-4G has that example F-16CM with the proper ELINT pod etc can't do?

Like example the Soviets made MiG-25 as their "Wild Weasel" as BM variant. Radar was swapped to one with passive detector to locate the radars, powerful and advanced ECM etc.

Capable to fly fast and high or low and still get supersonic but carry four large ARM. Designed to fly through the enemy CAP, engage the SAM systems and return without CAP getting a change to intercept it. 

 

What I could find about hype for the F-4G is this: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/former-electronic-warfare-officer-explains-why-the-f-4g-was-the-best-wild-weasel-aircraft-usaf-has-ever-had

 

Edit: So based to that article, the F-4G should have superior capability to locate geologically the emitting radars all around it. 

And that again polls a question that how much better it really is against F-16CM with HTS pod?

 

Edit 2: I have built a opinion now that I wouldn't like to see a F-4G as primary variant (first to come) of the all possible other F-4's, as dedicated to just SEAD/DEAD is limiting, and when you need the EWO (electronic warfare officer) to do all that fancy stuff, I don't see it such preferred variant. Especially if the SAM/IADS is not modeled but is as current status. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Fri13

[upyr1]

3 hours ago, Fri13 said:

 

What makes the F-4G a "true wild weaser" aircraft?

I would have thought that now F-16CM would make great for that?

 

What makes a wild weasel a weasel is the crew has the equipment to pin point the location of a radar. Until recently this often meant having an ewo.( electronic warfare officer) analyzing the signal.  My dad was an ewo on an eb-66 with the 41st TEWS. The 41st tews would fly elint prior to a strike then jam it during a strike. They worked with f-105Fs and Ds. While you could fly SEAD in a d thud, you could not get the range. The Weasles as I said had a similar rwr as the eb-66 and could get the range. I believe the hsi would point to a radar the ewo locked up. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by upyr1

[jojyrocks]

13 hours ago, NateDoggGaming said:

All fair points, but it's not like we don't have a cold war aircraft in game. However, we actually don't have any true wild weasel aircraft so at least in my opinion it would be nice to have the G

 

It is a niche aircraft for a VERY SPECIFIC role...not that worth the costs of development till DCS revamps the radar and ECM and IADS workings. Also, its more fitting for just MP centric people and people who are more into coordinated matches. So far, SP would not put much potential of this to full use. Not everyone has a rock solid internet connection nor is that much into MP playbase.

 

The E is pure multirole. At current, E can also do the same role as G..... It too can take on SAMs as well. Maybe, not to the refined ways of the G model which is built SOLELY for just taking out SAMS and that itself is only a single type mission plane and it is just an American specific plane unlike E having seen good use among other nations. 

 

Those Naval F-4 has more fun aspect and flexibility than the G versions. Also carrier fun.

 

What majority would want is a plane that is more flexible as far as mission varieties are concerned and not having to stick to just one niche role like SEAD or Reconnaissance dedicated versions of F-4.

 

It would be a bonus, having cannon ability or having the ability to carry cannon pods.

[upyr1]

9 hours ago, jojyrocks said:

 

It is a niche aircraft for a VERY SPECIFIC role...not that worth the costs of development till DCS revamps the radar and ECM and IADS workings. Also, its more fitting for just MP centric people and people who are more into coordinated matches. So far, SP would not put much potential of this to full use. Not everyone has a rock solid internet connection nor is that much into MP playbase.

 

The E is pure multirole. At current, E can also do the same role as G..... It too can take on SAMs as well. Maybe, not to the refined ways of the G model which is built SOLELY for just taking out SAMS and that itself is only a single type mission plane and it is just an American specific plane unlike E having seen good use among other nations. 

 

Those Naval F-4 has more fun aspect and flexibility than the G versions. Also carrier fun.

 

What majority would want is a plane that is more flexible as far as mission varieties are concerned and not having to stick to just one niche role like SEAD or Reconnaissance dedicated versions of F-4.

 

It would be a bonus, having cannon ability or having the ability to carry cannon pods.

Eagle is working on an IAD for dcs

The G is an E with the WSO replaced by an ewo. I suspect there is still too much that might be top secret 

[kseremak]

Navy J multirole with powerfull doppler look-down radar to make it interestiong for the RIO and to operate from the aircraft carrier.

And silver paint air superiority F-4E for Vietnam or cold war gun kill.

Edited June 8, 2021 by kseremak

[WinterH]

Late 70s or 80s F-4E. It is absolute heresy anything else is even discussed. No F-4 is better than F-4 but not later block F-4E

 

edit: well, J or S would be cool too. BUT ONLY in addition to E, and AFTER it

Edited June 5, 2021 by WinterH