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 This 2.7 update has changed dog fighting forever, especially for WWII.  Clouds are synced with all players in multiplayer(wow).  Huge game changer.  Here's just one scenario.  WWII: Your flying to an objective(escort, bombing run, patrol, whatever) and even though your trying your hardest to keep situational awareness, all of a sudden you get jumped by an enemy/s and your trying your hardest to evade.  Then at your 10 o'clock you see a huge cloud that if your lucky will reach in time before your adversary can get a good solution on you.  just as your about to get shot out of the sky you go tail deep into the clouds,  they take shots on you in desperation but miss.  Once in the cover of the clouds you turn over, dive go under their belly and get on their six, or just escape to fight another day... OM GOODNESS THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!    Thank you so very much ED,  today feels like Christmas and my birthday all at once.  Also Thanks to all you folks who have great DCS World channels on Youtube or other platforms that help others learn this most amazing sim. HIP HIP HOORAY, today we learn to fight with new tactics!  Cheers all, see you in the clouds, or not!


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Yes, we have been flying long with certain conditions, and now it's about adapt and overcome. 

Modern jets, helis... All modules require adaptation. 

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26 minutes ago, ARM505 said:

On a small cautionary note, the AI can, for the moment, still see through clouds.

 

From the patch notes, 'known issues':

"Currently as part of the initial release, clouds do not affect LOS for the AI."

  Yes I know, but thanks for sharing for others,  but that'll get attention in the near future.  Cheers mate!

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26 minutes ago, Wychmaster said:

Has somebody some sources and knowledge of how radars and IR seekers are affected by clouds (in reality)? If DCS models this correctly at some future point in time, this can get really interesting.

 They do plan for all of that,  so it will happen eventually.  It's gonna get even more real!  Happy landings!

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vor 7 Minuten schrieb StormBat:

 They do plan for all of that,  so it will happen eventually.  It's gonna get even more real!  Happy landings!

I know that they are planning it. Iam just curius how this is in reality. Can I fool a radar/IR missile by diving through the clouds? 

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45 minutes ago, Wychmaster said:

I know that they are planning it. Iam just curius how this is in reality. Can I fool a radar/IR missile by diving through the clouds? 

IR will be blocked by dense clouds, so unless you fly burner on in a small cloud the seeker should lose you. However radar can see through most clouds, depending on their density as well. Storm clouds will block radar, but we won't have those for now. There are a lot of factors like humidity & temperature which can have an effect on sensors and detection ranges... All of which is to say that it makes air-to-air warfare immensely more interesting for us simmers. Something to look forward to once they implement it later on.

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43 minutes ago, Wychmaster said:

I know that they are planning it. Iam just curius how this is in reality. Can I fool a radar/IR missile by diving through the clouds? 

Yes you would be able. The water droplets would refract the IR rays enough to spook a missile. It would be interesting to know how water effects radar, but when you think about how an air-ground radar cannot see bellow the surface of the water due to the rays being reflected/refracted and thus not returning those rays properly if at all.

 

What is cool with volumetric clouds is that you can calculate their density or thickness throughout the volume. So say you might have a thin part of the cloud which the radar can successfully see through, whereas a denser part it wont.

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I tested last night with a friend flying formation through a cloud. Density seems to be gradual, so on the outer layer of the cloud I was progressively losing visual on him. I spotted him only through his blinking position light from 100m away once we were in the thicker part of the cloud. He lit the burner and I could see it as well.

 

I haven’t tried shooting IR missiles at someone entering a cloud but it should lose track. Big exception if the burner is on, which will force pilots to be really disciplined... entering a cloud without turning off the burner is not enough in many instances, either for visual as well as - probably - IR engagement.


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Radar is NOT affected by clouds unless  very unusually dense. Neither is IR missile heads, again unless a very strangely thick dense cloud layer.  Regular clouds, no radar is fine. Specially modern potent radars. Otherwise SAM would be useless in cloudy days... So would Air Trafic Controllers.

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IR missile heads would definitely be affected, because water blocks IR quite effectively. I work with IR spectrometers so I know. 🙂 Now, clouds aren't usually that dense, so they won't all fully block an IR seeker, but with denser clouds it's definitely possible for them to trash a heater, especially an older one. On top of blocking IR, clouds have their own temperature and can reflect sunlight, further complicating tracking. There are many factors at play here, diving into a cumulonimbus might save you, going through a wispy altostratus likely won't. It all depends on just how much water is between you and the missile.

Radar, however, goes through completely, without even noticing the clouds. Weather radars that do see them work in a different wavelengths from fighter and SAM FCRs. 

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