Donut Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I haven't had a chance to fly the Hornet since 2.7. Has anyone noticed FM changes to the Hornet...turn rate, acceleration, drag, etc? I did not see anything mentioned in the change log. i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notproplayer3 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I really don't feel like anything has changed, perhaps someone else can confirm this ? Full fidelity su27/mig29 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Clark Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 There were a number of notes in the change log about changes to stores, which should have an indirect effect. 2 Oil In The Water Hornet Campaign. Bunny's: Form-Fillable Controller Layout PDFs | HOTAS Kneeboards | Checklist Kneeboards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) The reason I ask is that in the following post dated Feb. 17, Wags mentioned the FM being updated in the next Open Beta... https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/165047-hornet-mini-updates/?do=findComment&comment=4575378 Maybe it just didn't make it in this patch. Edited April 15, 2021 by N0430BM i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex225 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I only have a few hours in the Hornet after the last patch, but my subjective qualitative assessment is that the jet feels less draggy than before. More data needed, so take that with a healthy bit of skepticism. So far I like this Hornet better. It definitely sounds better, that much is certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass2-1 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 My only feedback is that it seemed maybe a tad less draggy above Mach with the dual AAM racks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Solution BIGNEWY Posted April 15, 2021 ED Team Solution Share Posted April 15, 2021 Hi, some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done. thank you 14 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi, some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done. thank you Roger that BIGNEWY and thank you for the info. I look forward to taking the Hornet up tomorrow and seeing if the new drag values have any effect on performance. I believe it has been mentioned around here that the DCS Hornet is a bit draggy/slow to accelerate compared to real life. Looking forward to the results of the FM review! i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machalot Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi, some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done. thank you Just curious, are the drag coefficients not considered part of the flight model? If not, then what does "flight model" include, because I have been thinking of it wrong. "Subsonic is below Mach 1, supersonic is up to Mach 5. Above Mach 5 is hypersonic. And reentry from space, well, that's like Mach a lot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tholozor Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Drag coefficients in this instance may pertain to weapon racks and ordnance, which aren't necessarily part of the aircraft's FM. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machalot Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Tholozor said: Drag coefficients in this instance may pertain to weapon racks and ordnance, which aren't necessarily part of the aircraft's FM. Fair enough. Just depends where you choose to draw that boundary. "Subsonic is below Mach 1, supersonic is up to Mach 5. Above Mach 5 is hypersonic. And reentry from space, well, that's like Mach a lot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 10 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi, some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done. thank you Does this include engine response model? There was a thread here recently, full of sources that pointed out that it is, in fact, very fast, unlike what we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napa Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 It felt a big "heavier" at times so definitely there were some changes with drag Intel i7 12700k / Corsair H150i Elite Capellix / Asus TUF Z690 Wifi D4 / Corsair Dominator 32GB 3200Mhz / Corsair HW1000W / 1x Samsung SSD 970 Evo Plus 500Gb + 1 Corsair MP600 1TB / ASUS ROG Strix RTX 3080 OC V2 / Fractal Design Meshify 2 / HOTAS Warthog / TFRP Rudder / TrackIR 5 / Dell U2515h 25" Monitor 1440p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkthunder Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Don't forget the engine spool times at lower altitudes are off by 250% compared to the real F-404! This must be fixed also as part of the FM changes! Windows 10 - Intel i7 7700K 4.2 Ghz (no OC) - Asus Strix GTX 1080 8Gb - 16GB DDR4 (3000 MHz) - SSD 500GB + WD Black FZEX 1TB 6Gb/s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 16, 2021 ED Team Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, bkthunder said: Don't forget the engine spool times at lower altitudes are off by 250% compared to the real F-404! This must be fixed also as part of the FM changes! have you posted evidence for your claims on the forum? I must have missed it. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbap Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said: have you posted evidence for your claims on the forum? I must have missed it. 5 Windows 7 Professional x64, EVGA GTX 1060 6GB, Intel Xeon W5650(i7) @ 4.1ghz, Asus P6TWS motherboard, 24gb DDR3, 500GB SSD. Hybrid joystick(Base: Saitek X55 - Grip:CH Fighterstick), Saitek X55 throttle, Saitek ruder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsimace Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 On 4/15/2021 at 11:10 PM, BIGNEWY said: Hi, some drag values have been adjusted but no flight model adjustments yet. A flight model review is being done. thank you Thanks, highly appreciated! And please also have a look at the rolling behaviour - while moving on the carrier deck, the Hornet often slides over the front wheels straight ahead or even moves in the opposite direction (esp. when high gain steering is engaged) - thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish_luck Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 You're experiencing understeer, be smooth on the rudder and don't jam in too much power. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsimace Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 hours ago, irish_luck said: You're experiencing understeer, be smooth on the rudder and don't jam in too much power. No, there is definitely something wrong with the mechanics - please see https://drive.google.com/file/d/12t1xpvb91cgPa4tu3giTl52Ev1v80smW/view (video taken from an older version, but this issue still persists in DCS 2.7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish_luck Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 9 hours ago, jetsimace said: No, there is definitely something wrong with the mechanics - please see https://drive.google.com/file/d/12t1xpvb91cgPa4tu3giTl52Ev1v80smW/view (video taken from an older version, but this issue still persists in DCS 2.7) How are the wheels supposed to roll like that? Get rolling forward, then turn, that video isn't an outright bug. Try riding a bike where you turn the handlebars perpendicular to you and start pedaling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toastman Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Regarding FM changes ... for me the Hornet doesn't feel as floaty in the final approach faze , which to me makes it easier to trap successfully ! Just wish we had a official SuperHornet ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Toastman said: Just wish we had a official SuperHornet ! Bluh... no. Fat, draggy, disproportioned, slower, and all around disappointing compared to the Legacy. I'll take less fuel and more of a chance of departure over the ugly Super any day! 3 i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsimace Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 On 5/8/2021 at 7:26 AM, irish_luck said: How are the wheels supposed to roll like that? Get rolling forward, then turn, that video isn't an outright bug. Try riding a bike where you turn the handlebars perpendicular to you and start pedaling. That might be a workaround, I agree. But that's not the point: the plane should not be moving like that, so the mechanics are not implemented as they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machalot Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 6 hours ago, jetsimace said: That might be a workaround, I agree. But that's not the point: the plane should not be moving like that, so the mechanics are not implemented as they should be. You may be exceeding the friction limit on the tires. If you apply less thrust does it still under steer? I have experienced what you're showing, but at lower thrust and lower speed I am able to control the jet quite precisely with high gain NWS. "Subsonic is below Mach 1, supersonic is up to Mach 5. Above Mach 5 is hypersonic. And reentry from space, well, that's like Mach a lot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsimace Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 On 5/9/2021 at 5:14 PM, Machalot said: You may be exceeding the friction limit on the tires. If you apply less thrust does it still under steer? I have experienced what you're showing, but at lower thrust and lower speed I am able to control the jet quite precisely with high gain NWS. I think the friction limit of the front tires is way too low (even under dry and non-freezing conditions) - as if the deck would be very slippery or being covered with blackice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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