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Super 530F is Fox 1 not Fox 2 🙂

For IR, you have MAGIC and MAGIC II

 

In french :

Le missile peut recevoir deux types de tête chercheuse interchangeables, une version à guidage semi-actif et une autre à guidage infrarouge. Les deux versions sont équipées d'une charge à fragmentation à haut pouvoir explosif de 27 kg.

Bien que souvent présenté comme un développement du R530, le Super 530F n'a que peu de ressemblance avec son prédécesseur. Il possède un radôme ogival en céramique abritant l'antenne de la tête chercheuse AD26 et le système de guidage.

 

The missile can receive two types of interchangeable homing head, one with semi-active guidance and another with infrared guidance. Both versions are equipped with a high explosive fragmentation charge of 27 kg.

Although often touted as a development of the R530, the Super 530F bears little resemblance to its predecessor. It has a ceramic ogival radome housing the AD26 homing head antenna and the guidance system.

 

Mirage is french, better data in french:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra_R530


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On 9/10/2021 at 10:21 PM, RedFang said:

Super 530F is Fox 1 not Fox 2 🙂

For IR, you have MAGIC and MAGIC II

 

In french :

Le missile peut recevoir deux types de tête chercheuse interchangeables, une version à guidage semi-actif et une autre à guidage infrarouge. Les deux versions sont équipées d'une charge à fragmentation à haut pouvoir explosif de 27 kg.

Bien que souvent présenté comme un développement du R530, le Super 530F n'a que peu de ressemblance avec son prédécesseur. Il possède un radôme ogival en céramique abritant l'antenne de la tête chercheuse AD26 et le système de guidage.

 

The missile can receive two types of interchangeable homing head, one with semi-active guidance and another with infrared guidance. Both versions are equipped with a high explosive fragmentation charge of 27 kg.

Although often touted as a development of the R530, the Super 530F bears little resemblance to its predecessor. It has a ceramic ogival radome housing the AD26 homing head antenna and the guidance system.

 

Mirage is french, better data in french:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra_R530

 

 

 

The "built for Spain" Mirage F-1 have never used the S-530F, they only had ( the obsolet ) R-530, and those did exist in IR or SARH versions.

 

Did Spain ever got IR version ? i don't know

 

The R-530 had a better than average IR head for that time, and was described as being all aspect

 

We can only hope that Aerges still allow the use of ( "fictive" ) S-530F on their Spanish Mirage F-1, having a 70s plane stuck with late 50s weaponry would be sad and would make their module nearly irrelevant for many 


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I could see them adding the R-530F on one of the later versions of this plane like the EE or something. The R-530F is much more capable and dangerous then the original R-530 from a book I have called Iraqi Mirages in Combat by Miguel Garcia it shot down multiple aircraft including F-5s F-4 phantoms and even a few F-14 tomcats.

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On 10/4/2021 at 10:14 AM, potatoman530 said:

I could see them adding the R-530F on one of the later versions of this plane like the EE or something. The R-530F is much more capable and dangerous then the original R-530 from a book I have called Iraqi Mirages in Combat by Miguel Garcia it shot down multiple aircraft including F-5s F-4 phantoms and even a few F-14 tomcats.

It shot down a few Tomcats? How reliable is your source?

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32 minutes ago, Rain said:

It shot down a few Tomcats? How reliable is your source?

It's in one of the two "Iraqi Mirages" books - claims are 6:6 (or 4:4) - a 1:1 exchange-ratio in any case.

Claims, that is.

 

Edit: It's supposedly 5:5 - out of Miguel Garcia's book "Iraqi Mirages in Combat"


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37 minutes ago, Rain said:

It shot down a few Tomcats? How reliable is your source?

As reliable as any claims during the Iran/Iraq war. Keep in mind that this wasn't your air-quaky 1v1 at 40nm flying at each other situation. The Iraqis used multiple flights, GCI, the decent range of the R530F and the better EWR equipment of the Mirage to get their jets into a good spot to ambush the Tomcats.

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On 10/18/2021 at 10:17 AM, Rain said:

It shot down a few Tomcats? How reliable is your source?

 

The claim is probably not USN shootdowns, but rather Iranian Tomcats... at least that's what I'd guess, or it would have been fairly big news when it occured and we'd likely have heard of it and remembered seeing documentation. But an Iraqi shooting down an Iranian in the 1980's ? Not exactly big news outside of the Middle East, back then, I doubt even the global news services of the time would even bother reporting it, and might not have even caught wind that it occured. Assuming of course that the claim is true, and I've no reason to suspect a falsehood on the part of the author.

 

But the original report could possibly be suspect too, sometimes military people in a few countries have... well, have a way of "exagerating" their military adventures... as a survival tactic: claim a small victory and I get to live a longer life... tell the absolute truth that I didn't even see an enemy and didn't fire any missiles... and I might be accused of cowardice, desertion in combat, or just not interested in doing the assigned mission... could end up on the wrong side of a rope, or firing squad...

"ok so there I was an I swear it was a Tomcat, and I fired ze missilez, and down went the plane!"

"oh? and where did this plane crash?"

"Ah, um, well it disintegrated into a firey ball before hitting the water, so uh, nothing to see!"

"Convenient comrade pilot!!! We shall give you our highest medal, and a family vacation to a seaside resort in Basra!"

"whew, that was a close one!"

"Sorry, what do you mean, close one? Do I need to call the Secret Police?!"

 


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A quick Google suggests that Iraqi F1EQs downed 3-4 Tomcats…

even the Iranian pilots seemed to regard the Mirage as the most capable Iraqi opponent

For their part, the F1s seemed to have performed well against Iranian F-4s and F-5s

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In Desert Storm 1 in 1991, the Allied coalition regarded the Mirage F1 as the greatest air to air threat with the best pilots- over the MiG-29s even.  This didn't pan out as it doesn't seem like they were used in an air to air role in Desert Storm.

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The Iraqis mostly used the F1s in an air to ground role or anti shipping in the Iran Iraq war. In a strike the Iraqis attempted to carry out against a Saudi oil refinery in the gulf war the Mirage F1s were the strike aircraft with an escort of mig-23s however they got shot down by saudi f-15s

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On 10/29/2021 at 9:46 PM, YoYo said:

Btw. Interesting photo 🙂 :

0s5Dow9.jpg

Sorry for sidetracking again, but which countries markings are on the F-1 and the Mig-17 on this photo? The F-1 looks like a soviet star, but that can't be it obviously

and the Mig-17 has me completely clueless..

Any information on the occasion of that photo?

Regards,

Snappy

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34 minutes ago, Snappy said:

Sorry for sidetracking again, but which countries markings are on the F-1 and the Mig-17 on this photo? The F-1 looks like a soviet star, but that can't be it obviously

and the Mig-17 has me completely clueless..

Any information on the occasion of that photo?

Regards,

Snappy

This is a Mozambican MiG-17 with a South African F1AZ. Apparently this MiG-17 was defected by Lt Adriano Bomba to South Africa, and here is being flown by South African test pilot Bob Masson in the Blyde River Canyon.

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On 10/30/2021 at 9:11 AM, Rick50 said:

The claim is probably not USN shootdowns, but rather Iranian Tomcats... at least that's what I'd guess, or it would have been fairly big news when it occured and we'd likely have heard of it and remembered seeing documentation. 

I think nobody said anything about US Tomcats beging shot down by Iraqi F-1s, or the the other way round. The converstation is about Iran-Iraq.

It is pretty much offical knowledge that the Tomcat in US service, although beeing an A-A platform, achieved 5 Air-Air Kills in its entire carreer.
2x Su-22, 2x MiG-23 and 1x Mi-8.

The Iranians claim around 140 Air-Air Kills with Tomcat alone (which would make it a more succesfull platform than the F-15, if it's true, it's the USN's wet dream^^).
Don't know how many they claim of beeing F-1s, would be interessting. And also what the Iraqis claim...


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17 minutes ago, Bananabrai said:

The Iranians claim around 140 Air-Air Kills with Tomcat alone (which would make it a more succesfull platform than the F-15, if it's true, it's the USN's wet dream^^).
Don't know how many they claim of beeing F-1s, would be interessting. And also what the Iraqis claim...

According to Miguel Garcia's book on the iraqi F1s, the ratio was 5:5. Your mileage will vary according to which side you're asiking.

Generally, the F1 introduced a new quality to the iraqi air force. Both, technologically and in terms of personnel (training in France). Part of that was down to better tactics and making use of the AWG-9's weaknesses over land, using larger formations and bait / shooter teams.

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So ein Feuerball, JUNGE!

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On 10/29/2021 at 9:46 PM, YoYo said:

Btw. Interesting photo 🙂 :

0s5Dow9.jpg

That's a South African Mirage F1 AZ with an Angolan defector's MiG 17. You can see it's an AZ from the small extra chin air intake and the offset pitot tube to the bottom of the center of the nose.


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