key_stroked Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) Tested CA path finding on an empty test mission I made. 3 unit groups: Group 1 -- 1 unit (M1A2) Group 2 -- 4 units (M1A2) Group 3 -- 6 units mixed Putting all three groups in column formation results in only the lead units moving (for multi-unit groups) at first at really slow speeds. Eventually other units in multi-unit groups will start moving, but also at slow speed. Some units don't move at all. Any other formation (line abreast, staggered, diamond, etc.) forces all units to move at increased speed, but then they won't follow roads if you set a road waypoint. The yellow lines show on the road, but the units drive off road, though trees, etc. Units will also attempt to follow a road but instead drive beside the road through trees/bushes/other terrain objects instead of driving on the road. I had all three groups pathed to cross a river using a bridge. In any other formation except column, they'll go off road and cross the river by driving through the river. After they crossed the river, I switched them back to column to get them back on road, and some units actually did a 180 degree turn and drove BACK through the river to get to the road, then used the bridge. CA Pathing Bugged.trk Edited April 19, 2021 by Halcyon 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidp57 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Good report ; it's been like in 2.5 also, so the supposed "fix" probably didn't fix a lot Zip - VEAF :pilotfly: If you want to learn, talk and fly with french-speaking friends, the Virtual European Air Force is here for you ! Meet us on our Discord and our forum If you're a mission creator, you may want to check the VEAF Mission Creation Tools (and its GitHub repository) a set of open-source scripts and tools that make creating a dynamic mission a breeze ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 no this is 100X worse than any pathfinding I have seen in years. This should be a priority to get a hotfix out. The fun level on the server went from 9.5/10 to 1/10 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drexx Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 @BIGNEWY@NineLine Is this reported yet to the devs (I don't want this one to get lost), its a CA breaker right now and my server relies on CA, I have lost 30% of my population being the most heavy user of CA in the multiplayer server list, basically, the units needs to follow the path the user sets and not veer off on its own, the game taking its own path is causing this. When I send in a path to the API tasking a group, it drives completely fine and runs the path, so its between the CA f10 menu set path waypoint code I believe (wish I could help you with it being a developer) Thanks (and yes I am back from being burnt out from DCS, have have some some magic with DDCS, its running really well, very fast, even with lots of units on the ground moving, had over 100 moving at the same time a few days ago before 2.7) 1 Developer of DDCS MP Engine, dynamicdcs.com https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=208608 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonsky7 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 It certainly is awful at the minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 20, 2021 ED Team Share Posted April 20, 2021 Checking now, thanks guys. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 20, 2021 ED Team Share Posted April 20, 2021 Are you saying you guys normally use on road with a formation? And previously it worked fine? I generally stick to using off road for formations, them trying to navigate trees and such, plus hold formation, and path gets them confused. Edit: I tried the track a number of ways, the only time the vehicles went off road was when I let the track play back without touching it, if I took control, even with the path already set it was fine. Is the mission created in 2.7, can I have the mission? Thanks. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonsky7 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) Personally, I was on a MP server using the Caucasus map. Using CTLD I picked up a HumVee crate at the CTLD spawn point, and dropped it off near a road. I used the set path in the F10 map, first waypoint was near the road close to the initial unpacking point, and the second on the road very near to first waypoint. The third waypoint was far away, maybe 30nm, but on the road also. I was very impressed with the speed the route was mapped out. But then the Humvee started moving and it was nowhere the road, driving across fields and got stuck in a forest. edit: Seems flawless on SP though Edited April 20, 2021 by jonsky7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 20, 2021 ED Team Share Posted April 20, 2021 I'll need a track, and most likely it will need to be one without any extra scripting. Mods and Scripting have had a bumping go with 2.7, so I cant rule out that it isn't related. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
key_stroked Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, NineLine said: Are you saying you guys normally use on road with a formation? And previously it worked fine? I generally stick to using off road for formations, them trying to navigate trees and such, plus hold formation, and path gets them confused. Edit: I tried the track a number of ways, the only time the vehicles went off road was when I let the track play back without touching it, if I took control, even with the path already set it was fine. Is the mission created in 2.7, can I have the mission? Thanks. I don't expect non-column formations to follow on a road. That wouldn't be very logical obviously. But currently in 2.7, changing their formation is only one of two ways (that I've found) to get them moving again. If you select a group and give them a road waypoint (green icon), the yellow dashed line pathing will appear, but very frequently the group won't move. Their speed is set at a default of about half the speed bar, but they'll just sit there while you watch the yellow dashed line start to disappear, starting at the units, and continue to shrink towards the waypoint set. You have to drag their speed slider bar to 0, and then back to a desired speed to get them to move and the yellow dashed line to once again emanate from the lead vehicle in the group. The second way to get them moving is changing their formation type, but upon doing that, they'll go offroad, really fast at first, before slowing down because they hit every single object they can. Often driving offroad is faster than driving on the road in a column formation. Units will also sometimes stop at bridges and remain there until you do the speed slider bar workaround, or change their formation to a non-column formation. Of course doing that makes them cross the river by going through the river, and as I said in the OP, if they're already beyond the river and you switch them back to the default column formation, they will drive back through the river to get to the road and then cross the bridge. I attached the mission I used. It's just an empty Caucasus map with the three unit groups I outlined in the OP. I slotted into the tactical commander slot and issued them waypoints and reported the observed behavior that was supposed to be in the track file I provided. CA Testing.miz Edited April 21, 2021 by Halcyon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vram Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Here are my general observations on combined arms in a multiplayer environment. Pre 2.6 unit groups responded quickly to mulitiple waypoint orders. eg. unit group concealed in cover in village close to road. first waypoint from village to road - 2nd and subsequent waypoints along road for many kilometers. All units moved effortlessly into formation on road negotiating trees and buildings with ease. Post 2.6 Similar scenario to above regards waypoint orders in f10 map. Some serious delays with rogue units in groups getting stuck and refusing to move. A workaround was to manually drive rogue units onto the road to re join group then issue new orders to group along road waypoints. Post 2.7 Combined arms virtually unplayable in multiplayer (have not tested single player) Usually the lead unit may or may not move to the first waypoint whether that be on or off road. Then usually if the lead unit moves at all it's the only one that will move to the second and subseqeunt leaving the others behind. With units going rogue in every unit group all over the place it makes Combined Arms unfortunately at this time - not fit for purpose. A terrible shame as it's a fantastic module when it worked well pre 2.6. (certain crossing bridge issues on Caucasus aside) Unfortunately I don't have any track files to back this all up but try a quick visit to any Multiplayer server that properly embraces Combined Arms and you can see for yourself. Be advised if you value your hair you may end up pulling it out. Thanks for your consideration in advance. I'm sure these issues will be ironed out and we look forward to more exciting tank battles in future. Going forward Combined arms has huge extra potential with new features I hope we will see and I am sure may be in the works. Personal wish list. Platoon strength Mixed heavy weapon infantry squads AT MG AA - can embark/disembark IFVS. Paratroopers! Modern but especially WW2 American, British.(Red berets!), fallschirmjäger Means of delivery of above infantry. C47 C130 Ju52 Flyable? full fidelity? One can but dream. Ok that's enough of my letter to Sana. it could go on and on. Thanks for a great DCS experience thus far. I own most of the aircraft modules and my next purchase will undoubtedly be the Mosquito. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Also on the server I play on, uses groups of three units. When I make a path for the units the units dont follow the road but follow the dashed yellow line that portrays the intended path. The yellow dashed line is always ahead of the units (about .3mi) So when as the units come up to a, say 180 degree turn, and since the yellow dashed line has already made the turn, the units cut the turn early and follow the dashed line. I have a video to show it but unfortunately to big to upload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPT_Kirkpatrick Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 just a heads up, you can improve the path finding by swapping the formation ever time it gets stuck. That seems to prevent the path from shrinking far ahead of your vehicle when I used it in MP the other day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 On 4/25/2021 at 6:59 AM, CAPT_Kirkpatrick said: just a heads up, you can improve the path finding by swapping the formation ever time it gets stuck. That seems to prevent the path from shrinking far ahead of your vehicle when I used it in MP the other day keyword "improve". and that method is very temporary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPT_Kirkpatrick Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 54 minutes ago, chief said: keyword "improve". and that method is very temporary well yes, the idea is currently to make it possibly workable for those who might wish to use it in its limited extent, rather than discard it completely for an unknown time frame. I'm not saying it's not broken or that "it works fine for me so you must be wrong", but for anyone who is trying to struggle along with it it gives them something that helps rather than nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 27, 2021 ED Team Share Posted April 27, 2021 On 4/20/2021 at 10:26 PM, key_stroked said: I don't expect non-column formations to follow on a road. That wouldn't be very logical obviously. But currently in 2.7, changing their formation is only one of two ways (that I've found) to get them moving again. If you select a group and give them a road waypoint (green icon), the yellow dashed line pathing will appear, but very frequently the group won't move. Their speed is set at a default of about half the speed bar, but they'll just sit there while you watch the yellow dashed line start to disappear, starting at the units, and continue to shrink towards the waypoint set. You have to drag their speed slider bar to 0, and then back to a desired speed to get them to move and the yellow dashed line to once again emanate from the lead vehicle in the group. The second way to get them moving is changing their formation type, but upon doing that, they'll go offroad, really fast at first, before slowing down because they hit every single object they can. Often driving offroad is faster than driving on the road in a column formation. Units will also sometimes stop at bridges and remain there until you do the speed slider bar workaround, or change their formation to a non-column formation. Of course doing that makes them cross the river by going through the river, and as I said in the OP, if they're already beyond the river and you switch them back to the default column formation, they will drive back through the river to get to the road and then cross the bridge. I attached the mission I used. It's just an empty Caucasus map with the three unit groups I outlined in the OP. I slotted into the tactical commander slot and issued them waypoints and reported the observed behavior that was supposed to be in the track file I provided. CA Testing.miz 8.3 kB · 2 downloads Can you give me a track where they wont move when given orders? I am not getting this when I try your mission. So thats super weird. And just as I said that, it happened I will report it. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidp57 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Also, and maybe unrelated, lots of times a convoy on a road stops when one of the vehicles encounters problems. This can be : a damaged vehicle that cannot move anymore (should be abandonned) a vehicle that is blocked by a wreck (when all other vehicles pass through the wreck as if it was a ghost) some other cause that I don't understand Zip - VEAF :pilotfly: If you want to learn, talk and fly with french-speaking friends, the Virtual European Air Force is here for you ! Meet us on our Discord and our forum If you're a mission creator, you may want to check the VEAF Mission Creation Tools (and its GitHub repository) a set of open-source scripts and tools that make creating a dynamic mission a breeze ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
key_stroked Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) On 4/27/2021 at 10:30 AM, NineLine said: Can you give me a track where they wont move when given orders? I am not getting this when I try your mission. So thats super weird. And just as I said that, it happened I will report it. Great! I'm glad you're seeing the same behavior. Btw, the track I supplied in the OP showed that behavior (not moving when given orders). Imo your track file system isn't very reliable. It doesn't show a 100% replay of what actually happened Edited April 28, 2021 by key_stroked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonsky7 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 In this screen shot the M2A2 is moving along the pathway to it's left. I think one of the problems might be that the end of the pathway is very far ahead of the unit itself. So it ends up trying to hit the end of the path, which makes it go off road. The units also stop before reaching the destination point because the path line has already made it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tau Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I confirm, Path finding is way worse then it used too even moving on roads, units move like 100 m then stop dead. It really breaks CA Tau's Youtube channel Twitch channel https://www.twitch.tv/the0tau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Does this bug report include how units start moving and stop. You have to move the speed slider to 0 and back to speed, to make them move again ? 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGonzo94 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) I can confirm this bug on every multiplayer server I played on. They all have CTLD. I have not tried it in singleplayer. I have not tested exhaustively, but general feeling is that some waypoints added are ignored. I usually get reasonable results if I create two waypoints close to each other, where I would usually use one. Edited May 13, 2021 by DrGonzo94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Here's another track from an MP server that shows ground units getting lost and stopping to move. Changing formation usually gets them moving again, but they often travel off path and get stuck in trees or buildings. https://www.mediafire.com/file/zv1qos1ll8vd8ly/Op+Be+Quick+or+Be+Dead+v4+MAY2021-20210512-204626.trk/file 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRMBigBird Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Has there been any updates on path finding? Has the team been able to asses the issues with movement of units in MP? This is been a huge cause of frustration on servers like DDCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevanJ Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Issue still exists in Multiplayer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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