Is there a way to lua-export ECM status?

[RvEYoda]

I was wondering, is there a way to lua export a flag

saying if my ECM is on or not?

 

I can export if target is using ECM, but not if I am using ecm :P.

 

 

Alternatively, is there a way to LoSetCommand(...disableECM....) and NOT LoSetCommand(...toggleECM...)?

Edited September 15, 2008 by =RvE=Yoda

[RvEYoda]

Can you please put that in a different thread pilotasso. If you want to say that, fine, but

please not in this thread. Make a new thread about it. Edit your post before this thread derails totally please.

 

This thread I want to know ECM status because it allows me to force it to be off

at all times, and also helps me to detect blinking!

 

I'm not gonna tell you the full story yet, but let's just say i'm working on

a "1.13 mod" that will definitely raise your eyebrows in MANY ways..

Edited September 15, 2008 by =RvE=Yoda

[golfsierra2]

1.13 Mod

 

Did I miss it ? Did I ???

 

Damn'....

 

 

Can you please put that in a different thread pilotasso. If you want to say that, fine, but

please not in this thread. Make a new thread about it. Edit your post before this thread derails totally please.

 

This thread I want to know ECM status because it allows me to force it to be off

at all times, and also helps me to detect blinking!

 

I'm not gonna tell you the full story yet, but let's just say i'm working on

a "1.13 mod" that will definitely raise your eyebrows in MANY ways..

[borchi_2b]

yoda!

 

sorry for telling you the truth, but i get more and more the impression of you as being a very bad looser.

you want to deactivate ECM or ECM blinking.

You know what, you talk about realism?

i start to piss my pants cause of laughter.

 

ask modern pilots if thier ECm can blink or not.

 

LOL

 

seriously, all your efforts are nice to see, but you start to destroy a sim, that will not be close to reality anyways, but why do you do all that stupied stuff.

you want realism?

 

go out with your girl, thats where you will have more realism.

 

if you really want to do something for lockon, then figure out things, and talk about facts with people, who found bugs etc etc that are real bugs.

ECM blinking my friend is no bug!!!

 

do you have the possibility to talk to real pilots?

if you do, then please, talk to them.

ECMs are still covered as military inteligence, so we will not be able to talk about details, but some pilots might tell you stuff about it.

 

sophisticated systems are automated in a few jets and ECM short time intervals are no magic

[GGTharos]

^^^^

 

Necromancy and lack of thought all in one post. Good job.

 

Yoda knows a whole lot more about ECM/ECCM than you ever did, or will. Go back in your corner already, and stop digging up year old posts to post against. ;)

 

Golfsierra, you're on the witch hunt list for thread necromancy, too! ;)

Edited October 11, 2009 by GGTharos

[Pilotasso]

Hope all this gets behind us real soon with whatever ED has planned for LOMAc before this years end.

 

Till then lets deal with it, after that well see whats realistic and whats not. Cheers.

[Boberro]

I hope there won't be blinking. At least not in this stadium what is in LO.

[golfsierra2]

Golfsierra, you're on the witch hunt list for thread necromancy, too! ;)

 

:lol:

 

Yodas post was the last in that thread and I was curious if he ever managed to finish his work.

 

Nevermind....

[borchi_2b]

GGtharos,

nice one, but never assume to know anything about anybody unless you have ever met that person.

LOL

it is funny that you allways start fights with people who know more, then just little kids who think they have eaten all.

 

when you want such gameplay like yoda is aming for, you might want to fly with battlefield planes. may it be so, but i see that alot of people support unrealitic things that destroy a sim, and the community that is standing behind the scenes.

 

GG, for me, your answer shows alot of childish behavior, that helps nobody.

 

again, how many fighters have you flown, or yoda, how many people have you ever talked to about jammers?

i bet none.

i just talked about it with somebody in our squad, who knows more about that shit, then you will ever know, and guess what, you are wrong in every respect my friend.

but go ahead, support that stuff. but do not wonder why many people in the hyperlobby, who are well known, stoped showing up there.

never asked yourself that question?

Edited October 11, 2009 by borchi_2b

[GGTharos]

GGtharos,

nice one, but never assume to know anything about anybody unless you have ever met that person.

LOL

it is funny that you allways start fights with people who know more, then just little kids who think they have eaten all.

 

I already know you don't know what you're talking about borchi. Seriously - stop.

 

when you want such gameplay like yoda is aming for, you might want to fly with battlefield planes. may it be so, but i see that alot of people support unrealitic things that destroy a sim, and the community that is standing behind the scenes.

 

GG, for me, your answer shows alot of childish behavior, that helps nobody.

 

again, how many fighters have you flown, or yoda, how many people have you ever talked to about jammers?

i bet none.

i just talked about it with somebody in our squad, who knows more about that shit, then you will ever know, and guess what, you are wrong in every respect my friend.

but go ahead, support that stuff. but do not wonder why many people in the hyperlobby, who are well known, stoped showing up there.

never asked yourself that question?

 

Actually I know people who work on said jammers. I know people who work on F-15's and raptors, too - and even a pilot or two. They're not rare in this community, and a few of them have a good chuckle at your posts. ;)

 

If you think what Yoda is doing isn't realistic, you're right. If you think blinking your jammer on and off with your finger is realistic, you're definitely wrong. SPJs are automated for a reason ;)

 

Further, Yoda's efforts actualy increase, rather than decrease, realism.

 

I don't much care about people in HL either- most of them are completely clueless, and I mean that in the nicest, most matter-of-fact manner.

 

On the other hand, they know that they don't know much - you seems to have this idea that you've swallowed and entire air force's knowledge though. Do you know where the limits of your knowledge are? I don't think you do. I know what mine are, and they stretch lightyears beyond yours ;)

[borchi_2b]

GGtharos. you are right, your knowledge is lightyears in diffrence to mine.

:music_whistling:

 

about the stuff you wrote about you working on that shit, jup, you are again right!

and about the people here in the forum who are pilots, you are right too.

 

but, and this is a big BUT, what you do not notice is that you make a fool of yourself.

you think you know pilots who fly these jets. LOL if so, they would have told you what the ECMs are capable of today.

 

but well, you build the airforce, you are the ace who has 3+ kills in serbia and i forgot, you even design the f15s and the f22s.

 

stay in the box where you are, but stop being unfriendly towards people you do not know. your additute is nothing that can be respected.

in the end your post is worth hot air and nothing needs to be discussed with you anymore.

 

by the way, i do not htink that german ECMs are that much diffrent then US ECMs, do to the fact that both countries are membersof the nato. if so, then i seriously can say, that the german ECMs must be way better then the US AIR FORCE ECMs.

 

stop fooling people. get straight man

[borchi_2b]

If you think what Yoda is doing isn't realistic, you're right. If you think blinking your jammer on and off with your finger is realistic, you're definitely wrong. SPJs are automated for a reason ;)

 

did i ever say with my fingers. give me a programable jammersystem and i show you how it is used in combat zones.

but what you forget is, that there is no such thing like a programable ECM function in this game, so people do have to use thier fingers, to get closer to the ECM methods that are used in modern tech fighters.

 

but well, i am sick talking to you, cause the only thing you prove is that you are booksmart, not more.

[topol-m]

yoda!

 

sorry for telling you the truth, but i get more and more the impression of you as being a very bad looser.

 

It seems to me like it is you who are acting unfriendly in the first place. You could have stated your opinion without insulting other members by just saying: "i think this is unrealistic...".

[GGTharos]

Borchi,

Did you actually read what I wrote?

 

You just made a huge fool out of yourself in the second sentence. Also, could you capitalize the beginning of your sentences, or are you trying to be a rebel? And yeah, I'm right about the pilots - they're having a good chuckle at you ;)

 

Borchi, start practicing what you are preaching.

 

You are utterly clueless:

 

You don't know how ECM/ECCM works.

You have no clue whatsoever as to what Yoda was trying to accomplish with his mod.

I don't think you even have a clue as to what it does.

 

You keep saying things like

in the end your post is worth hot air and nothing needs to be discussed with you anymore.

But the joke here is on you - and if you actually knew anything about anything, you'd know that too. ;)

[GGTharos]

did i ever say with my fingers. give me a programable jammersystem and i show you how it is used in combat zones.

but what you forget is, that there is no such thing like a programable ECM function in this game, so people do have to use thier fingers, to get closer to the ECM methods that are used in modern tech fighters.

 

but well, i am sick talking to you, cause the only thing you prove is that you are booksmart, not more.

 

 

And ECCM is programmable too, except in LO. Yoda managed to program some ECCM into LO though - but you see, you go accusing me of being just book-smart, when once more, you show yourself utterly clueless.

[borchi_2b]

LOL

 

this has nothing to do with being rebelious or anything else.

 

and just by saying that something is not realistic equals being unfriendly, that is nonesence, but i am through with that topic and i only hope that the patch will incoporate not only things that are made by yoda and arre more realistic then the things that were done in the past. like pilotasso said, lets see in the end what is realistic and what not.

 

LOL, yoda did what, aha, i have never seen such things in the mod, that there has ever been a programmed ECM.

 

but how i allready said once. i am sick talking to you.

end of the story

Edited October 11, 2009 by borchi_2b

[RvEYoda]

:lol:

 

Yodas post was the last in that thread and I was curious if he ever managed to finish his work.

 

Nevermind....

 

 

*My Lips are sealed*

 

Anyway, Thread is too old. Lock it up :).

Someone lock this thread?

 

Now, To Borchi, like you say, ECM is both offensive and defensive manual and

automated in real life and uses far more technologies that can be listed in any thread.

 

Let's assume some future sim is able to somewhat summarize 1960-70s ECM? that is probably not going to happen.

 

All I know it is not realistic that the outcome of aircombat is based on who can press

E fastest ^^. Sure ta real pilot can do that. Maybe there is a situation where this will actually

be favorable, but, it will not act in the same way that is displayed in lo.

 

If you do not want to believe we have talked to pilots of different air forces, ground crew,

mechanics, engineers etc and that they can actually reveal decent information, then that is

your decision. I have no intention of "proving" my claims here or revealing any sources.

You believe what you want.

Edited October 11, 2009 by =RvE=Yoda

[Kuky]

what is all this fuss about ECM use and blinkers... I think what's lot more killing the realism is people ability to change so many settings on their end as pretty much nothing is being forced by the server. All the things like zoom (man that is 100% unrealistic to have and should be completely eliminated) and missile tracking behavior... avionics systems updated to more realistic levels... this is lot more important I think.

 

The whole game should be locked and unable to mod... replacing few ground textures is something I can deal with bit people making so many redicious mods like changing 3d models (and who knows what else) is just... well I have no words for it...

[GGTharos]

This is because you are clueless. ;)

 

Ignorance is bliss neh?

 

LOL, yoda did what, aha, i have never seen such things in the mod, that there has ever been a programmed ECM.

[RvEYoda]

You can mod the game on server end so that it enforces 0 mods on client ends ;)

( I think someone was working on this already, did they give up ? )

Well you can enforce a script from server so that on client side it runs CRC checksums

on whatever files you want to test and bang if it fails you just do LoSetCommand(-eject-) or

whatever you want

 

EDIT : HMm....Modding automated ECM is super easy and has already been done.

I have made my own variant of it in several pieces, but have not used it online.

 

You can mod some funny stuff in here. Like I made an autopilot for lockon to test

certain airplane accelleration and climb performance. It uses lua IO to perform

basic test flights at higher precision than a player can perform.

 

It reads speed/pitch/aoa/etc and compares to what its "goals" are, then determines

what input to give (like pitch up, throttle up, well, right now it has only 1 goal ;) ).

I think it works similar to a normal autopilot.

Edited October 11, 2009 by =RvE=Yoda

[borchi_2b]

what is all this fuss about ECM use and blinkers... I think what's lot more killing the realism is people ability to change so many settings on their end as pretty much nothing is being forced by the server. All the things like zoom (man that is 100% unrealistic to have and should be completely eliminated) and missile tracking behavior... avionics systems updated to more realistic levels... this is lot more important I think.

 

The whole game should be locked and unable to mod... replacing few ground textures is something I can deal with bit people making so many redicious mods like changing 3d models (and who knows what else) is just... well I have no words for it...

 

i think to chnge a 3d model like a plae is something that should be possible to be made.

i think too that there is so much more that needs to be fixed, just for the aim120, that tracks something like 90° azimuth. LOL

this missle is capable of about 25+° thats about all, but how often did an aim120a push me out of the fight altogh it was never capable to track me, in comparison to the real missile.

like kuky said, there is way more that needs to be done, but for that it should be talked about where to start and what is possible in regards of LUA.

i do not want to be rude, nothing is way further away from my position than that, but what i have seen is that things were done, but nobody ever, at least it seems like it, thought of the importance of change, and the balancing of change.

[GGTharos]

LOL

this missle is capable of about 25+° thats about all, but how often did an aim120a push me out of the fight altogh it was never capable to track me, in comparison to the real missile.

 

55 degree gimbal, information available from reliable public sources (such as GAO and other fiscal reports reporting on AMRAAM upgrades etc)

 

Why don't you get back to the 3d model? That's something you're certainly expert and good at.

[Pilotasso]

You can write this down:

 

When the next LOMAC project is released (whatever it is) Im willing to bet ED will change the concept many people have that this SIM, in its current state is what ED intended for. That ECM blinking, BVR dot hunting and maddogging are features of actual combat aircraft.

 

I sense many things will change for more realism and many of these believers will be shocked to see that, what they once believed is not applicable anymore (and complain alot when their usual tactics fail).

Edited October 11, 2009 by Pilotasso

[Frostie]

I hope so as it sucks right now if some high flying F-15 gets a HOJ ER fired on him and all he has to do is switch his jammer off and let his AMRAAM's go while he runs away.

[Pilotasso]

Dont think eleminating BVR maddong will completely prevent that situation. Just a tad. :)

Edited October 11, 2009 by Pilotasso