What could we really expect from BS3 ? newsletter was exhaustive ? FLIR ?

[ThoWmas31]

Hello Pilot,

 

I'm a new player on chopper (in my team we name helicopter = ventilator ), i really enjoy this module, i think it's under estimate.

What we can really expect with BS3?

 

Quote

 

Newsletter said : 

 

 

new features that expand gameplay, these include.

[...]

brand new external 3D model, enhanced cockpit and new features that expand gameplay

Helicopter missile warning system (MWS) implementation

Air-to-Air Igla missile implementation

 

 

 

Well apache is coming too, i know it's a big debate beetween KA50 and people don't want to see a KA52, to be honest i don't really matter, about number,  i'm not focus 100% fidelity or 90 %

Igla ? why not , it's like sidewinder or A10, you take it because you can but when are they usefull ? 
MWS, OK it could be cool , usefull not a best deal but ok 

enhanced cockpit what doest it mean ? Only visual ? or a retrofit ?

 

"expand gameplay", for me the only real thing needed is night pod, the Ka-50F exist. 

 

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamov_Ka-50#/media/Fichier:Kamov_Ka-50_in_Moscow.jpg

 

In term of upgrade A10c to A10C II, just the Scorpio helmet do all the job and yes the upgrade is worth it, in term of quality of life it's a huge plus.

 

AA capacity/MWS ? meh

 

What do you think ?

[3WA]

Well, the reason we need Igla's is because the shkval is so horrible at locking air targets.  Even slow moving ones.  The Igla is not as good as the Sidewinder or the Russian R-60.  It's smaller and made for close range ( ~ 5 km ).  We really need a new EO with FLIR.  GOES 451 or 452 that the Ka-52 is using now would be great.  As I recall, the shkval was dumped after the Ka-50.  Guess the Russkies weren't impressed with it either.

The Cockpit will probably remain the same with what they are offering now.  MWS will go to the MFD, and there is already a switch for AA selection.

Supposedly, we are getting an external model remake.

 

Totally agree with the FLIR.  The Shark can't do night missions without it.  The flares are a joke, and instantly give away your position.

Edited May 3, 2021 by 3WA

[ThoWmas31]

When i see the WIP 3D model, no doubt about 6 pylons, but shkval seems to be the same, and no trace of President S. Well a upgrade is a upgrade, i hope something to use this module by night.

[LastRifleRound]

I think all it will be is external model, MWS and Igla. Nothing else has been promised.

 

If this is the final list, I don't plan on buying it, it's just not compelling enough of an offer to me.

 

I think INS drift ought to finally be simulated and the shkval needs a major update.

Edited May 5, 2021 by LastRifleRound

[XPACT]

Electrical system, INS drift, Shkval, vector based HUD textures so they don't create artifacts etc... those are not listed but hopefully worked on also...

[Rogue Trooper]

BS3 is a critical upgrade, as the black shark stands right now it is very capable, but when the Apache comes it will be obvious how weak BS2 is... hell, even Hind will show this.

This is not a question of toe to toe Apache V BS2 discussion,  but it is more each machines ability to work in a complex advanced battlefield without ever meeting each other..

All SP missions you play in BS2 are "tuned" to BS2 and low tech adversaries.

All MP missions you play are "tuned" to BS2 and 1000 player aircraft as support.

 

The Apache will need no "tuning" of the missions!

BS3 will do a better job in "untuned" missions (true peer to peer missions)....... However, the Apache will thrive!

 

Edited May 5, 2021 by Rogue Trooper

[LastRifleRound]

22 minutes ago, Rogue Trooper said:

BS3 is a critical upgrade, as the black shark stands right now it is very capable, but when the Apache comes it will be obvious how weak BS2 is... hell, even Hind will show this.

This is not a question of toe to toe Apache V BS2 discussion,  but it is more each machines ability to work in a complex advanced battlefield without ever meeting each other..

All SP missions you play in BS2 are "tuned" to BS2 and low tech adversaries.

All MP missions you play are "tuned" to BS2 and 1000 player aircraft as support.

 

The Apache will need no "tuning" of the missions!

BS3 will do a better job in "untuned" missions (true peer to peer missions)....... However, the Apache will thrive!

 

 

I guess if helo BFM with fox 2 is what you're after. I'm just a fix what you have before you make new stuff kind of guy, but I can see why some people might be excited for it.

Edited May 5, 2021 by LastRifleRound

[3WA]

If you play any missions with enemy helo's in them, you've got a dogfight.  They come at you as fast as they can.  You are enemy #1.

[dimitriov]

15 hours ago, Rogue Trooper said:

BS3 is a critical upgrade, as the black shark stands right now it is very capable, but when the Apache comes it will be obvious how weak BS2 is... hell, even Hind will show this.

This is not a question of toe to toe Apache V BS2 discussion,  but it is more each machines ability to work in a complex advanced battlefield without ever meeting each other..

All SP missions you play in BS2 are "tuned" to BS2 and low tech adversaries.

All MP missions you play are "tuned" to BS2 and 1000 player aircraft as support.

 

The Apache will need no "tuning" of the missions!

BS3 will do a better job in "untuned" missions (true peer to peer missions)....... However, the Apache will thrive!

 

 

We really, really, reaaaally don't fly the same missions lmao. Anyway, these apache points simply don't have anything to do here. In my squad we deploy 12 ka-50 and 4 gazelles, along with 4 A10C, 30 various fighters... Welp, we're the kings of A/G, the centerpiece, the masterpiece, the crown jewel.... Our missions are to stop various and very complex ENI deployments, covered with SAM up to Sa 15 or 19, on as much realistic as possible real scenarios reproductions... 

 

We even get to meet other chopers sometimes... Lol we eat them, simply because ye know, we have strict procedures for such situation and everyone knows what he has to do. Would you be in an apache against such deployment you would never even stand a chance to shoot... Yesterday for training purpose we ended againt 12 Mi-24 covering a massive armor countee attack.... The Mi-24 never managed to reach 4 km from our units... We regrouped the whole package in 1 min and slaughtered them in roughly 90 seconds. 

 

Still, in our mission planification, we systematically plan the losses : yesterday we expected 25%. We ended around 20%. Being solo in such an environment simply is pointless ! 

 

Sry guys but past a moment reading the bs sections really looks like reading the complaint of solo rookies who think that it's because of the aircraft that they are so bad... Go join a real hardcore sim squad and learn the real thing instead of stating that "ka-50 is not able to do more than assymetric warfare" or no match compared to other helos... Cause no helo whatsoever was ever planned to be used alone like in dlc campaigns or your solo miz. US apache deployments in Iraq, against supposedly real opposition were 30-40 HLO heavy ! Still they got their ass kicked by surprise, manually aimed zu23 ! Because apache is like any other HLO. If used in the proper conditions it rocks. If not it burns. Ka-50 is its exact soviet counterpart. So there has to be mission tuning for every single type of airframe, else you send the guy on direct suicide mission. Statistically, in real war against USSR, US HLO pilot lifespan statistics were around 15 minutes, whatever type being considered ! The whole A-10C US fleet was to vanish in roughly one month ! 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by dimitriov

[Mr.Scar]

I personally think that having a technological advantage is a nice thing to have, but it does not mean instant victory. The past concerning warfare in human history has some lessons about it

When you look at it from DCS perspective, I can assure you that that flying "older" less advanced machines does not mean defeat, when facing a technologically superior foe. The same applies to the Ka-50, Mi-24 and other similar machines. Its more challanging, sure, but far from FUBAR.

 

Just my two cents. 

[dimitriov]

Yup. 1000 well coordinated, commanded, and trained p-47 may still be more efficient than 1000 badly coordinated, commanded and trained A-10C.

[M1Combat]

"The whole A-10C US fleet was to vanish in roughly one month !"

 

Ehh...  I suspect not...  But what do I know...  That point could be argued for a month...  at least :).

[dimitriov]

10% losses per mission expected. 

[bmbpdk]

On 5/6/2021 at 2:03 PM, dimitriov said:

We really, really, reaaaally don't fly the same missions lmao. Anyway, these apache points simply don't have anything to do here. In my squad we deploy 12 ka-50 and 4 gazelles, along with 4 A10C, 30 various fighters... Welp, we're the kings of A/G, the centerpiece, the masterpiece, the crown jewel.... Our missions are to stop various and very complex ENI deployments, covered with SAM up to Sa 15 or 19, on as much realistic as possible real scenarios reproductions... 

 

We even get to meet other chopers sometimes... Lol we eat them, simply because ye know, we have strict procedures for such situation and everyone knows what he has to do. Would you be in an apache against such deployment you would never even stand a chance to shoot... Yesterday for training purpose we ended againt 12 Mi-24 covering a massive armor countee attack.... The Mi-24 never managed to reach 4 km from our units... We regrouped the whole package in 1 min and slaughtered them in roughly 90 seconds. 

 

Still, in our mission planification, we systematically plan the losses : yesterday we expected 25%. We ended around 20%. Being solo in such an environment simply is pointless ! 

 

Sry guys but past a moment reading the bs sections really looks like reading the complaint of solo rookies who think that it's because of the aircraft that they are so bad... Go join a real hardcore sim squad and learn the real thing instead of stating that "ka-50 is not able to do more than assymetric warfare" or no match compared to other helos... Cause no helo whatsoever was ever planned to be used alone like in dlc campaigns or your solo miz. US apache deployments in Iraq, against supposedly real opposition were 30-40 HLO heavy ! Still they got their ass kicked by surprise, manually aimed zu23 ! Because apache is like any other HLO. If used in the proper conditions it rocks. If not it burns. Ka-50 is its exact soviet counterpart. So there has to be mission tuning for every single type of airframe, else you send the guy on direct suicide mission. Statistically, in real war against USSR, US HLO pilot lifespan statistics were around 15 minutes, whatever type being considered ! The whole A-10C US fleet was to vanish in roughly one month ! 

 

 

 

Very well said Sir.
May i ask which squadron you are part of?

[Avimimus]

The overall upgrade to modern standards is necessary (e.g. Shkval fixes). The MWS will be quite useful. The Igla will be fun (and was offered as an export option). I'm hoping there will be options to carry less Vikhr per hardpoint... which appears to be a realistic option for range/performance when one only needs to take out a few targets.