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Dear ED, 

was wondering if in a future is there any chance to bring to life  other different Carriers DLC, that would bring and expand the aeronaval projection into DCS and in conjunction with further maps would give a real complex envelope. My vote would be for, in sequence;

1- Liaoning/Shendong

2- Clemenceau/Foch

3- Invincible

4- USS Kitty Hawk

5- USS Enterprise CVN 65 ?

6- Charles de Gaulle ?

7- Queen Elisabeth/Prince of Wales ?

 

What you vote for guys ?

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The Chinese carriers I can sort of understand, as making a FC3-level J-15 wouldn't be too much of an ask.

 

But the other non-US ones? No... What would fly off the Queen Elizabeth class? Or the French carriers? The F-35 and Rafale simply aren't going to happen. Haven't heard of the Etendard being made either.

 

I may be mis-remembering, but isn't the Invincible being done by Razbam as part of their South Atlantic thing? Not sure if that's just an AI asset though.

 

In general, I think the US carriers are enough, after that a fully fleshed out Kuznetsov and full fidelity Su-33, then the Chinese carriers. Not to mention the WWII US and IJN carriers that are supposedly in the works.

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I would pay for a smaller (helicopter) carrier like the Wasp-class amphibious assault ship for navy helicopter and VTOL-planes. An Invincible-class, Queen-Elizabeth-class or mistral-class carrier would be good to.

 

I think we do not need further larger carriers for a long time if ressources could be used better on things that are not yet implemented like more ships with complex damage models and animated deck crews for helicopter operations, anti-submarine warefare and of course navy helicopter like Sea Lynx or SH/MH-60.

 

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15 hours ago, LooseSeal said:

But the other non-US ones? No... What would fly off the Queen Elizabeth class? Or the French carriers? The F-35 and Rafale simply aren't going to happen. Haven't heard of the Etendard being made either.

 

Those carriers can still operate the Harrier and Hornet/Tomcat respectively, the Catapult runs are just long enough on the CDG that it could get either of those aircraft in the air, while the QE class can easily handle the Harriers, especially given they have the Skijump which would allow a heavier take-off load.

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The only ones I'm really interested in at the moment is the Enterprise and Kittyhawk.

 

We simply don't have the aircraft for the others to make sense, let alone things like other ships, particularly escorts, but also things like replenishment ships.

 

And speaking of which, I'm kinda worried about HB's Forrestal (which is supposed to be an early 80s fit as far as I can tell), seeing as there's no other BLUFOR ship to go with it (well, apart from the La Combattante IIa, which is firing the wrong missile) - it's all by itself. Everything else, including the OHP, depicts ships as they were post 2000s.

 

So I'd also add an 80s Knox class frigate, an 80s Belknap/California/Virginia class cruiser and an 80s Charles F. Adams/Spruance destroyer. And seeing as naval base Guam is a base for them, I'd also add a Los Angeles class SSN (though the Flt. II and Flt. III based there now are bit on the new side) and an Emory S. Land class submarine tender.

 

The other one I'm most interested in is the Pr. 1143/.2/.3/.4 "Krechet" [NATO: Kiev class] heavy aviation cruisers. But again, we're missing the aircraft it carries (even as AI), and REDFOR ships are in dire need of a major graphical overhaul. The good thing about these is that their principle weapons system is the P-500 'Bazalt' [SS-N-12 "Sandbox"] and have a substantial A/A armament as well - they're less reliant on their aircraft.


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12 hours ago, Tank50us said:

 

Those carriers can still operate the Harrier and Hornet/Tomcat respectively, the Catapult runs are just long enough on the CDG that it could get either of those aircraft in the air, while the QE class can easily handle the Harriers, especially given they have the Skijump which would allow a heavier take-off load.

While make believe and fun are great, a Tomcat or Hornet on either one of those ships would be historically blasphemous! Come on man!

On 5/29/2021 at 3:02 AM, toni said:

Dear ED, 

was wondering if in a future is there any chance to bring to life  other different Carriers DLC, that would bring and expand the aeronaval projection into DCS and in conjunction with further maps would give a real complex envelope. My vote would be for, in sequence;

1- Liaoning/Shendong

2- Clemenceau/Foch

3- Invincible

4- USS Kitty Hawk

5- USS Enterprise CVN 65 ?

6- Charles de Gaulle ?

7- Queen Elisabeth/Prince of Wales ?

 

What you vote for guys ?

Kitty Hawk and Enterprise are the only 2 that make sense. 

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1 hour ago, Jackjack171 said:

While make believe and fun are great, a Tomcat or Hornet on either one of those ships would be historically blasphemous! Come on man!

Kitty Hawk and Enterprise are the only 2 that make sense. 

 

In terms of history I can understand that, but in terms of functionality and role it would be still the same as the current  super carrier. I can see them in the distant future, but for now a "Marine Expeditionary Unit" with a smaller WASP/America-Class carrier would make more sense and could add amphibious operations to DCS.
Moreover helicopters gain more and more ground in DCS and I am optimistic that we would get navy/marine helicopters like AH-1 Cobra, V-22 Osprey, CH-53 and SH/MH-60 in the near future.

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On 5/29/2021 at 11:02 AM, toni said:

Dear ED, 

was wondering if in a future is there any chance to bring to life  other different Carriers DLC, that would bring and expand the aeronaval projection into DCS and in conjunction with further maps would give a real complex envelope. My vote would be for, in sequence;

1- Liaoning/Shendong

2- Clemenceau/Foch

3- Invincible

4- USS Kitty Hawk

5- USS Enterprise CVN 65 ?

6- Charles de Gaulle ?

7- Queen Elisabeth/Prince of Wales ?

 

What you vote for guys ?

 

1- Liaoning/Shendong will coming by the Chinnese Assets pack
3- Invincible / 7- Queen Elisabeth/Prince of Wales  can coming by RAZBAM and your assets packs (the first will coming with Falklands assets pack).
2- Clemenceau/Foch 6- Charles de Gaulle surelly not appears if some 3rd party dont make a "pilotable" module.
Us Carriers as 4- USS Kitty Hawk / 5- USS Enterprise CVN 65 ? I think will coming by Heatblur on a future.

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16 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Us Carriers as 4- USS Kitty Hawk / 5- USS Enterprise CVN 65 ? I think will coming by Heatblur on a future.

They plan to bring Forrestall, Saratoga, Ranger and Independence.

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4 minutes ago, draconus said:

They plan to bring Forrestall, Saratoga, Ranger and Independence.

https://trello.com/c/rXPorKBP

Correct, but I expected HB continue with "naval stuff" after F-14 / A-6.

 

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21 hours ago, ojanim said:

 

In terms of history I can understand that, but in terms of functionality and role it would be still the same as the current  super carrier. I can see them in the distant future, but for now a "Marine Expeditionary Unit" with a smaller WASP/America-Class carrier would make more sense and could add amphibious operations to DCS.
Moreover helicopters gain more and more ground in DCS and I am optimistic that we would get navy/marine helicopters like AH-1 Cobra, V-22 Osprey, CH-53 and SH/MH-60 in the near future.

I'd love the inclusion of a MEU. That would be awesome! I was jokingly referring to the idea of a Tomcat aboard the CDG or anything but a USN CV/CVN. I'm personally waiting for the Apache btw!

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On 6/2/2021 at 7:35 PM, Bremspropeller said:

I'd much rather like a 60s Essex Class carrier.

There's a WWII Essex carrier planned from Leatherneck to support the Corsair.  I can't find the post to reference.
 

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20 minutes ago, WOPR said:

There's a WWII Essex carrier planned from Leatherneck to support the Corsair.  I can't find the post to reference.
 

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I want CVN-65 and CV-6 if/when WW2 stuff comes out (would need Wildcat and Hellcat as much if not more than F4U).  I dunno how much I'd be willing to pay, though. Hoping the mod community and skinning on the supercarrier would be enough for at least the former.

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On 5/29/2021 at 2:21 PM, LooseSeal said:

The Chinese carriers I can sort of understand, as making a FC3-level J-15 wouldn't be too much of an ask.

 

But the other non-US ones? No... What would fly off the Queen Elizabeth class? Or the French carriers? The F-35 and Rafale simply aren't going to happen. Haven't heard of the Etendard being made either.

 

I may be mis-remembering, but isn't the Invincible being done by Razbam as part of their South Atlantic thing? Not sure if that's just an AI asset though.

 

In general, I think the US carriers are enough, after that a fully fleshed out Kuznetsov and full fidelity Su-33, then the Chinese carriers. Not to mention the WWII US and IJN carriers that are supposedly in the works.

 

The Charles de Gaulle load regularly accommodates aircraft and sometimes even American fleets (F/A-18), and I imagine it must be the same for the other NATO carriers

so don't would be a bad thing or a useless thing in DCS

 

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On 7/10/2021 at 12:33 AM, terence44 said:

 

The Charles de Gaulle load regularly accommodates aircraft and sometimes even American fleets (F/A-18), and I imagine it must be the same for the other NATO carriers

so don't would be a bad thing or a useless thing in DCS

 

 

 

Really disagree... I can't see the point in spending resources to build an asset in the game for one country (France) so it can be used exclusively by another country (the US). It just seems weird. It's like the other comment proposing Harriers taking off from the Queen Elizabeth and Tomcats from the CDG. It is just a waste of time and borderline anachronous (or completely in the case of Harriers on the QE).

 

No carriers without suitable accompanying aircraft as far as I'm concerned.

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18 minutes ago, LooseSeal said:

No carriers without suitable accompanying aircraft as far as I'm concerned.

 

I'd extend that to escorts too.

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On 6/13/2021 at 1:06 PM, WOPR said:

There's a WWII Essex carrier planned from Leatherneck to support the Corsair.  I can't find the post to reference.

 

That's a WW2 era Essex, that won't support 60s aircraft. What I wan is a post SCB-27 and SCB-125 modification Essex-Class carrier that could realistically deck Skyhawks and Crusaders:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCB-27

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCB-125

 

 

 

On 5/29/2021 at 2:21 PM, LooseSeal said:

Or the French carriers? The F-35 and Rafale simply aren't going to happen. Haven't heard of the Etendard being made either.

 

The CDG would be a little misplaced as you mentioned. But I could see a Foch or Clemenceau - the upcoming F-8J would work nicely as a "pretend F-8E(FN)".

The Étendard IV/ Super Étendard are missing, but they'd be very cool full modules with the latter having some interesting capabilities for such a small airframe.

Plus it would fit well into upcoming ans existing maps (Iraq, Argentina), where it has seen action and fired shots in anger.

 

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18 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

That's a WW2 era Essex, that won't support 60s aircraft. What I wan is a post SCB-27 and SCB-125 modification Essex-Class carrier that could realistically deck Skyhawks and Crusaders:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCB-27

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCB-125

 

 

 

 

The CDG would be a little misplaced as you mentioned. But I could see a Foch or Clemenceau - the upcoming F-8J would work nicely as a "pretend F-8E(FN)".

The Étendard IV/ Super Étendard are missing, but they'd be very cool full modules with the latter having some interesting capabilities for such a small airframe.

Plus it would fit well into upcoming ans existing maps (Iraq, Argentina), where it has seen action and fired shots in anger.

 

 

Meanwhile a LN has build a WW2 era Essex, they has the base to modificate them to use with the Crusaders and no need make a new carrier.

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