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Hi all,

 

Will we ever see JSTARS in DCS?

We already have JTAC units but i think JSTARS could add extra info (as example, probably an update to actual JTAC format).

 

and what about your thoughts?

 

Thank you,

F.


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Would love, especially if it can act as a translator between the different datalink formats for the different aircraft that don't have the same system. Getting ground target data link tracks like we get air target data link tracks right now seems really handy, too.

 

Please give us an E-8.


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16 hours ago, FoxOne007 said:

An AWACS but for tracking ground targets?! Sign me up! the E-8C would be great, and now that we have an AG radar, very useful

 

I tottaly agree with you. It will be a great asset for DCS in my point of view.

 - "Don't be John Wayne in the Break if you´re going to be Jerry Lewis on the Ball".

About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.'

 

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1 hour ago, jojyrocks said:

+1

 

Hopefully, we'll see this around 2025.:biggrin:

Better late than never 😊

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 - "Don't be John Wayne in the Break if you´re going to be Jerry Lewis on the Ball".

About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.'

 

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I’m a JSTARs EE seven level. I left the unit in 2021 but my understanding is they are all but retired. The specs on the radar are so classified I don’t even know them, but I have a rough idea. Having seen it in action, yes I times I’ve rode on missions. It would be a great asset to DCS. Now is enough declassified for an accurate AI asset to be modeled, no clue. I’ve flown the simulator and I promise you would fly it like once. Now an operator station would be pretty cool. Especially in multiplayer. If an Ai could properly interact with the asset’s we have, and it could act as a FAC then it definitely would be an excellent Ai asset. 
 

Also shooting my favorite tail down would be a daly ritual. 


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1 hour ago, FlankerKiller said:

I’m a JSTARs EE seven level. I left the unit in 2021 but my understanding is they are all but retired. The specs on the radar are so classified I don’t even know them, but I have a rough idea. Having seen it in action, yes I times I’ve rode on missions. It would be a great asset to DCS. Now is enough declassified for an accurate AI asset to be modeled, no clue. I’ve flown the simulator and I promise you would fly it like once. Now an operator station would be pretty cool. Especially in multiplayer. If an Ai could properly interact with the asset’s we have, and it could act as a FAC then it definitely would be an excellent Ai asset. 
 

Also shooting my favorite tail down would be a daly ritual. 

 

Yeah I read about them retiring. End of an era really. I am a younger guy and grew up reading Clancy and Bond, nowadays fewer and fewer of the then top-of-the-line systems are flying. Legacy hornets, P-3, E-3, E-8, Ticos, Oliver Hazard Perrys, M60s.

To clarify I am not asking for a flyable module. For big jets I could see the KC-135 but beyond that it gets rapidly less interesting.

From my (minimal) knowledge of how JSTARS actually work(ed) I'd envision it to be something like the E-3 but for ground targets. Slap one in your mission and its radar will work like a very powerful F-18 GMT/SEA mode and either datalink or lowdown that information to players. Maybe in missions with Fog Of War it will reveal moving non-terrain-masked units in a range of, say, 150 miles. Perhaps for more realism it might only relay convoys and not single vehicles if the mission has AI traffic. I am not going to pretend I know which modules in DCS can actually accept and work with datalinked ground targets. The means to use datalink for ground units. Getting deeper, maybe it could also detect helicopters and rotating radar dishes?

Probably the simplest way to think about it is that the E-8C would do the ground version of what the E-3 does in the sky. Then of course there is signals side of things with the RC-135, telling us who's talking/emitting and where. We only have a 3rd of the SA.

 


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59 minutes ago, ACS_Dev said:

Yeah I read about them retiring. End of an era really. I am a younger guy and grew up reading Clancy and Bond, nowadays fewer and fewer of the then top-of-the-line systems are flying. Legacy hornets, P-3, E-3, E-8, Ticos, Oliver Hazard Perrys, M60s.

To clarify I am not asking for a flyable module. For big jets I could see the KC-135 but beyond that it gets rapidly less interesting.

From my (minimal) knowledge of how JSTARS actually work(ed) I'd envision it to be something like the E-3 but for ground targets. Slap one in your mission and its radar will work like a very powerful F-18 GMT/SEA mode and either datalink or lowdown that information to players. Maybe in missions with Fog Of War it will reveal moving non-terrain-masked units in a range of, say, 150 miles. Perhaps for more realism it might only relay convoys and not single vehicles if the mission has AI traffic. I am not going to pretend I know which modules in DCS can actually accept and work with datalinked ground targets. The means to use datalink for ground units. Getting deeper, maybe it could also detect helicopters and rotating radar dishes?

Probably the simplest way to think about it is that the E-8C would do the ground version of what the E-3 does in the sky. Then of course there is signals side of things with the RC-135, telling us who's talking/emitting and where. We only have a 3rd of the SA.

 

 

Oh, I wish I could have this conversation with you. Or tell you some of the war stories. But I honestly don’t know what I’m allowed to say. Even if it’s just a JTAC, it would be a powerful asset in DCS. If it can be modeled realistically, then I think it would actually be somewhat game changing, and super useful when the dynamic campaign comes out. I don’t know how to phrase this. There are very, very very few people that understand what all of its capabilities are. Their forces maintenance is broke up into different shops, or different career fields is more accurate. Obviously radar understands the radar, but there are other shops and other capabilities. I’ve got some idea of what this things capabilities are, but it was constantly upgraded, and I don’t know how much of what it could do im allowed to say that it could do it. It’s one of those it comes down to classification again, even as just a JTAC it would be great in DCS. You’re correct that it covers a wide swath, I’m not sure what the actual ranges are but…An even partially modeled 2005 era jet would be a real force multiplier. Especially when the dynamic campaign becomes a thing and we actually have to scout. It would be a good McMuffin to escort, or take out too. Again I also want to shoot a vary heigh Polly version to peace’s. I broke my back, literally, keeping those things in the air. 

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6 minutes ago, FlankerKiller said:

 

Oh, I wish I could have this conversation with you. Or tell you some of the war stories. But I honestly don’t know what I’m allowed to say. Even if it’s just a JTAC, it would be a powerful asset in DCS. If it can be modeled realistically, then I think it would actually be somewhat game changing, and super useful when the dynamic campaign comes out. I don’t know how to phrase this. There are very, very very few people that understand what all of its capabilities are. Their forces maintenance is broke up into different shops, or different career fields is more accurate. Obviously radar understands the radar, but there are other shops and other capabilities. I’ve got some idea of what this things capabilities are, but it was constantly upgraded, and I don’t know how much of what it could do im allowed to say that it could do it. It’s one of those it comes down to classification again, even as just a JTAC it would be great in DCS. You’re correct that it covers a wide swath, I’m not sure what the actual ranges are but…An even partially modeled 2005 era jet would be a real force multiplier. Especially when the dynamic campaign becomes a thing and we actually have to scout. It would be a good McMuffin to escort, or take out too. Again I also want to shoot a vary heigh Polly version to peace’s. I broke my back, literally, keeping those things in the air. 

Yeah as always let's keep the spice factor low.

If they give us the 3D model and some tools like sending stuff to clients via Datalink I am sure the community could do some marvelous things with it. I doubt we will see anything on it before they overhaul all of the existing AI-Player communications interfaces and frankly I don't want to wait that long. Even a non-interactive AI asset to fly next to would be great.

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The question is, how much does it talk to fighters? I know it talks to the AH-64D, but the details of that are classified, so I'd say we're unlikely to see its information on datalink, even if it can send data on Link 16. That leaves voice comms, though I don't know what are the procedures for them. In dynamic campaign, it'd be immensely useful. That said, I think a simplified, CMO-like implementation would suffice for DC commander's interface. 

I found an interesting tidbit. It apparently can talk to JSOWs:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110717083242/http://www.tradershuddle.com/20110117148392/globenewswire/Photo-Release-Northrop-Grumman-s-Joint-STARS-is-Key-Enabler-in-Success-of-U.S.-Navy/Air-Force-Joint-Surface-Warfare-Network-Enabled-Weapon-Joint-Capability-Technology-Demonstration.html

This is not classified, BTW, it's a passing mention in an article for stockbrokers, of all things. Still, it states this was actually demonstrated, so it's more likely to be true. I'm not sure we have that version of JSOW (probably not, the article is from 2011), but it's an interesting capability.

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That’s just the thing too. What is allowed to be modeled? Again I spent twenty one years on the thing. I can tell you exactly how the power gets to all the wizard stuff by memory. And that JSOW stuff was news to me. There are things I know it can do. Things I’ve heard it can do, things I’ve seen it do, and things I think it can do. And not even that is accurate. All of this would affect how we interact with the Ai asset. I think the best we could hope for is flying JTAC that covers a big area. The rest is just too classified. And that’s even saying a 2003ish bird. The ones being retired, forget it.

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