ED Team NineLine Posted August 4, 2021 ED Team Share Posted August 4, 2021 The rounds are added to DCS based on the type of round and such, and with the new DM, all this should be accounted for. So far I haven't been told no on the M1 Incendiary and M1 Tracer so I am hopeful we can do accurate belts with those as well. Maybe an Early 43, Late 43 and 44. I love options. If I update the above plan, I will share it here. Thanks guys. 4 4 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cass Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 It's a great high level source but the only mention of a belt composition is in the Air to Ground Section. It mentions one of the belts @NineLinehas created: @Marduk879I've read that source quite a few times (and posted it on the IL2 forums about 30) and have managed to miss the point about the M8 not being recommend. Everything else that I've read and heard pertains to the AP,AP,I,I,T falling out of favour by 1944 and a full API, with an additional APIT if the squadron wanted to use tracers. It appears to have been Fighter Group dependant earlier on. If you read the encounter reports of the P47 (http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/p-47-encounter-reports.html) you can see that by mid 43, the 4th FG were using API ammunition, whether as the 56th FG are still using AP&I. Shift to 1944 and the 56th are using API&T or pure API, so the AP&I belt clearly was replaced and API was used in the timeframe relevant to Normandy. Interestingly Gabreskis report from 30 Jan, it appears as though he had the 6 inboard guns firing API or APIT (difficult to make out) and his two outboards firing pure incendiary so there was clearly a lot of freedom for the big boys (he switched back to pure API for his February kills). The books a great overall source, but the 100s of AARs we have across an almost 2 year period are far more detailed and paint a different picture about API. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Marduk Hardware: T-16000M Pack, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, GTX 1070 SC2, AMD RX3700, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, FC3, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousHonza Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 On 8/4/2021 at 11:51 PM, NineLine said: The rounds are added to DCS based on the type of round and such, and with the new DM, all this should be accounted for. So far I haven't been told no on the M1 Incendiary and M1 Tracer so I am hopeful we can do accurate belts with those as well. Maybe an Early 43, Late 43 and 44. I love options. If I update the above plan, I will share it here. Thanks guys. Hi, may i ask how does it look with proposed changes (M8 API)? Is it ingame and did i missed it in changelog or not yet. Or its not going to be implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cass Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 Hi @NineLine Sorry to chase again but I was wondering if these changes have been approved and whether there is a timeline on their implementation? More than happy to dig into some more evidence if there are any question marks. It's so great having the tracerless belts now working in multiplayer but with the belt having 2 Ball rounds, it noticeably loses a lot of it's effectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong05 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 @NineLine Any update on this? 5800X3d, 32GB DDR4@3400, 6800 xt, Reverb G2, Gunfighter/TMWH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 18, 2021 ED Team Share Posted October 18, 2021 No sorry, I will look into it and see where we are at. Thanks. 2 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 21, 2021 ED Team Share Posted November 21, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 3:29 PM, NineLine said: No sorry, I will look into it and see where we are at. Thanks. I am still waiting on 2 new rounds. Sorry. 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cass Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 Thanks for the update @NineLine Researching, building and testing 2 new rounds is a good chunk of work so understand the delay on that. While that's happening, is it possible to introduce the 2 44 (APIT44 & API44) belts that you put together in the next update? The P47 and P51 models we have in the sim are both 44/45 planes so would have no doubt flown with these almost exclusively in their time setting (plus the A-G belt we have currently but API was still mainly used for ground attack) and in the settings we have in the SP Campaigns/MP. Completely understand wanting to wait for the new rounds and to do it in one go but it's quite a task putting those rounds together. With everything else the team has on their plate, we could be waiting quite a while. With the work you've put together below and the fact we've got everything we need currently with the M8 & M20 already in the sim, it would be a pretty significant QoL update for the US planes that's 100% ready to go. On 8/2/2021 at 10:34 PM, NineLine said: 1) -- [1] = Cartridge, caliber .50, ball, M2 2) -- [2] = Cartridge, caliber .50, armor piercing, M2 3) -- [3] = Cartridge, caliber .50, armor-piercing incendiary, M8 4) -- [4] = Cartridge, caliber .50, armor-piercing incendiary tracer, M20 ammo_type = { _("APIT44 1944 M8x4/M20x1"), _("API44 1944 M8 No Tracer"), _("APT43 1943 M2x4/M20x1"), _("AP43 1943 M2No Tracer"), }, Outer L: --[[ APIT44 ]] {3, 3, 3, 3, 4}, --[[ API44 ]] {3}, --[[ APT43 ]] {2, 2, 2, 2, 4}, --[[ AP43 ]] {2}, }, Middle L: --[[ APIT44 ]] {3, 3, 3, 4, 3}, --[[ API44 ]] {3}, --[[ APT43 ]] {2, 2, 2, 4, 2}, --[[ AP43 ]] {2}, }, Inner L: --[[ APIT44 ]] {3, 3, 4, 3, 3}, --[[ API44 ]] {3}, --[[ APT43 ]] {2, 2, 4, 2, 2}, --[[ AP43 ]] {2}, }, Inner R: --[[ APIT44 ]] {3, 3, 4, 3, 3}, --[[ API44 ]] {3}, --[[ APT43 ]] {2, 2, 4, 2, 2}, --[[ AP43 ]] {2}, }, Middle R: --[[ APIT44 ]] {3, 4, 3, 3, 3}, --[[ API44 ]] {3}, --[[ APT43 ]] {2, 4, 2, 2, 2}, --[[ AP43 ]] {2}, }, Outer R: --[[ APIT44 ]] {4, 3, 3, 3, 3}, --[[ API44 ]] {3}, --[[ APT43 ]] {4, 2, 2, 2, 2}, --[[ AP43 ]] {2}, }, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shallot Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 @NineLine I second what @Cass is getting at. If I understand correctly, the rounds currently in game will be able to simulate late war belts in their full historical accuracy. Would it be possible to implement just those in the interim? Most MP and SP scenarios take place where those belts would have been in primary use, so I think it would be beneficial to the sim to get those in first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 24, 2021 ED Team Share Posted November 24, 2021 I have asked for a temp build and a build with new rounds, the Team has just not been able to get to either at this time. 2 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughguy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 not to stir up things but a new configured belt would mean more damage right? sure would put a nail in the endless discussion regarding that topic. however as its been stated its a late ware belt config, wouldnt it make sense to have options for hi octane fuel then? for the sake of a correct setting? dont get me wrong i'm not die hard with this, just curious. https://sr-f.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong05 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/21/2021 at 6:10 PM, NineLine said: I am still waiting on 2 new rounds. Sorry. Thank you NineLine for sticking with this! Please continue to keep us updated on the progress. 3 5800X3d, 32GB DDR4@3400, 6800 xt, Reverb G2, Gunfighter/TMWH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 21 hours ago, Strong05 said: Thank you NineLine for sticking with this! Please continue to keep us updated on the progress. I hope we never lose NineLine for whatever reason. http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cass Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 No worries, thanks for pushing this forward @NineLine. Let us know if there is anything you need that we can help with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shallot Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 @Doughguy IIRC any potential High Octane fuel changes are slated to be looked at after the new engine thermal models are rolled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 46 minutes ago, Shallot said: @Doughguy IIRC any potential High Octane fuel changes are slated to be looked at after the new engine thermal models are rolled out. You think you want 150 octane, like I did at one point, but then you'll end up in a shit hole. What we have now isn't perfect, but its only going to get worse if everyone's motivate is making sure their favourite plane has a competitive edge. No one would be arguing for 150 octane if it weren't for the K4 or D9. And believe me, K4 pilots are ready to press that C3 moaning button once the "Allies" get their 150 octane. Go down this path and the next thing you know you're taking the P-38J out for a spin and you're surrounded by +12lbs Tempest Vs flying against C3 Bf-109K4s. http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71st_AH Rob Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Its not a competitive edge that everyone is seeking but a historical match-up. . For the maps we have, 150 oct would be appropriate for 8th AF fighters based in England and RAF Squadrons in England that are assigned to Air Defence of Great Britain. So the 1943 Spitfire we have (not that it is likely that an early 1943 Spitfire would still be in front line service by then) could have had +25 lbs Boost in our maps in the summer of 1944 but they would be facing Fw-190A-8 and Bf-109G-6, not the Bf-109K-4. By the time the Spitfire Mk IXc was facing the Bf-109K-4, it would be based in Holland or Belgium and it would definitely not be an early 1943 configuration, it would be a IXe with .50 and 20mm in each wing, not .303, it would have a Gyro Mk II gun-sight and the pilot would have a G-Suit as well as +25lbs boost or a Mk XIVe or Tempest V. So, asking for 150 oct fuel is not really over the top but I would rather they built a Bf-109G-6 instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITA_WVoss Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 It must also be said that the damage model of the K4 is in my opinion inappropriate, because we all see in SOW how the K4 pilots fly despite being riddled with blows and their engine goes up in smoke. And then as you rightly write, the only German aircraft for this scenario we have is the 190A8. I just hope new planes will be added soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2021 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2021 Oh guys, please dont drag this thread into 150 octane, its for belts on US aircraft. 150 Octane is requested, and I hope one day to see it, but please stay on topic. I want to leave this open for news on this fix. Thanks. 4 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughguy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 well thats all good with me. hard to keep track of whats coming and whats not. just raised some eyebrows as it sounded like cherry picking on what to have and what not in a "historical accurate timeframe" for one of these birds. personally i can hold my own against the k4 in the mustang as most simply fly it the wrong way to be blunt. but as its been rightfully acknowledged the late war mustang uses early war ammo belts.. hence wrong as noted in this thread. gotta take everything in account then. guess bit of miscommunication causing grief here and there. https://sr-f.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadepiece Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Are we gonna get a new years present?? Hope this has been in the oven long enough. 1 Fire only at close range, and only when your opponent is properly in your sights. -Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke, Jasta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadepiece Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) Also, is this just for the WWII birds, or will this have an effect on F-86 as well? Edited January 10, 2022 by shadepiece spelling Fire only at close range, and only when your opponent is properly in your sights. -Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke, Jasta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted January 10, 2022 ED Team Share Posted January 10, 2022 I am only looking at the WWII aircraft right now, but belt composition might be worth looking at there as well. 1 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool-Hand Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Any update on when this might be included in game? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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