chromium Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) Hi, since 2.7.2 I'm having a very strange issue that I can't solve in any way: in DCS, only in DCS both openbeta and stable, regardless of my windows language localization (on keyboard or system) my keyboard layout seems altered to a unidentified language that I can't recognize. For example: I'm italian, and here in our standard layout the "\" key (radioc comms) is the key "ù", but in any possibile settings for DCS the key I depress is "]". This is VERY annoying cause it seems that certain keys doesn't even exist anymore. EDIT: I found that DCS automatically recognize keyboard as Japaneses (I have "Kanji" instead of tilde key), only when I'm trying to assign keys: if I try to write in the briefing panel for example it correctly recognize italian layout. I tried: - removing saved games folder and reset; - clean-up & repair described here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/repair/; - DCS uninstall and clean install from zero; - Every reasonable windows language settings, for localization, visualization, regional settings, in both US american & Italian. Please, any other suggestion that is not "remap every key on your strange situation"? To me it's more a "I need to understand what's happening" things. Thanks. Logs attached (but there's not that much) I use a Logitech K270 keyboard recognized as an Logicool HID-compliant Keyboard (106 keys) dcs.log dcs.log.old Edited June 25, 2021 by chromium Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted June 25, 2021 ED Team Share Posted June 25, 2021 Hi, strange. We will try to reproduce and come back. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 Small update: I also checked fo malware or similar thing. No results. The only thing I might say is that I installed windows in english language and then moved to italian, recently, but I don't think that this might be related. Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 to help further understanding the issue, this screenshot is taken from control input window: The "Kanji" keypress appears when I press the key ` in american keyboard ( \ in italian layout) Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) Update: after a full windows reinstall, problem is still there. Tomorrow I'll try to change the keyboard... but its a very common logitech K270, so I don't expect this to fix the issue. Edited June 26, 2021 by chromium Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 Did something different... might be valuable. I did a test with windows keyboard over screen, to remove the "hardware" related doubt. Issue still there: 043bf935-c799-479d-add0-eac7ef2a078a.jfif Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 I made a full windows reinstall from scratch, no personale file kept... issue still there. Reverted to 2.7.0, issue is still there. And it wasn't. Starting to think something about registry keys, but I don't know where to look at Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Do you use a Logitech software? If so, try closing it down and see if DCS detects the proper keyboard language. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 Yes, but the issue appears also using the onscreen keyboard, logitech one diconnected. Now I'm digging into register keys to check some parameters in windows... Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 when windows was reinstalled, and during the keyboard layout question, what did you pick as default keyboard? one can change the default to whatever is wanted and additional keyboard layouts can be loaded on demand. https://winaero.com/set-default-keyboard-layout-windows-10/ perhaps as a test, make US english the default. however if you do not have a keyboard that matches character placements you may continue to see the issue. AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted June 27, 2021 Author Share Posted June 27, 2021 I did that, but all was working as expected but DCS. Currently I'm testing a "solved" state, that required me to reinstall both win & DCS, together, and setting the system main language as english. Now seems fixed, but i'm still testing. Still no clue about what was the issue, but I found a strange registry keys value in languages reported as IT with japanese hexadecimal value. Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, chromium said: Still no clue about what was the issue, but I found a strange registry keys value in languages reported as IT with japanese hexadecimal value. Can you please state the path of this registry key? It might help others with the same issue. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted June 27, 2021 Author Share Posted June 27, 2021 this one Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Keyboard Layouts\00000410 was identified as japanese instead of italian (japanese is 411). But, still, it shouldn't be that. Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 In my registry, 410=Italian and 411=Japanese. It would be interesting to know when this value gets changed in your registry. As soon as you install W10 or afterwards? Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted June 28, 2021 Author Share Posted June 28, 2021 9 ore fa, Flappie ha scritto: It would be interesting to know when this value gets changed in your registry. As soon as you install W10 or afterwards? I don't know. I can only say that now, after the clean install of both & wipeout of the original SO drive & change of the DCS drive, it's correct: 410 italian, 411 japanese. Currently I don't have a clue about what caused the issue, and besides of the fact that it was altering only DCS, it seems a windows thing. Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Possible solution here: 1 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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