Overmoderation

[GGTharos]

It's not necessarily a case of 'want', they may have documents that they're not allowed to share.

[NineLine]

5 hours ago, snipy said:

 

I get it.  But if y'all don't want to share the stuff you have... then there will always be contention.  Because sharing is a two way, trust building, exercise.  That's what this is about, man.  Not whether something is EA or not.  But can people trust ED.  Am I going to put my time into a product (that's the company, not a module), if there isn't any trust? 

 

Obviously, yea, you guys are free to run however you want.  It's your company.  Most video game/simulation companies don't even have this level of interaction with customers.  So I'll say this, these conversations, right here, do go a long way toward building trust.

We do not share our info, least most of it. We can gain access to things that some normal users wouldn't have access to because of our professional relationships with different organizations, branches of the military's and SMEs. The burden of proof for reporting bugs will always fall on the user in this sense. We have our documentation for development, we are open to new items from users, but unless its a solid technical document, chances are it will not be better than what we already have.

 

 

[snipy]

3 hours ago, NineLine said:

We do not share our info, least most of it. We can gain access to things that some normal users wouldn't have access to because of our professional relationships with different organizations, branches of the military's and SMEs. The burden of proof for reporting bugs will always fall on the user in this sense. We have our documentation for development, we are open to new items from users, but unless its a solid technical document, chances are it will not be better than what we already have.

 

 

 

I understand, I didn't mean share something that resources were used to obtain.  I meant, more like, just the name of the document.  Then, those who have the means to procure, can compare.  I just meant more, cite the source, not give it away.  But, we're going around in circles.  It is absolutely y'all's right to operate as you see best. 

 

Ultimately, four HARM, two... zero it doesn't really impact me.  If I need four, I can bring 2.  He runs out of gas anyway, since he spends the entire time in afterburner, so might as well use him quickly.  And if I need more 2s, I can just put a trigger in the mission editor to give me unlimited 2s.  You see, SAMs have a preset kill limit.  Knowing their weakness, I send wave after wave of my own men at them until they reach their limit and shut down. 

 

And, in multiplayer, I actually do enjoy flying around this game, so it isn't a terrible chore to RTB as many times as it takes to get at my unlimited store of HARMs. 

 

At any rate, thanks for the conversation, and the hard work you guys put in. 

[NineLine]

1 hour ago, snipy said:

I understand, I didn't mean share something that resources were used to obtain.  I meant, more like, just the name of the document.  Then, those who have the means to procure, can compare.  I just meant more, cite the source, not give it away.  But, we're going around in circles.  It is absolutely y'all's right to operate as you see best. 

Homeland Security actively monitors these forums, we have a rule in place, 1.16 specifically because we don't want people sharing documents, even their names. SO that is not going to happen. 

At the end of the day, we are a professional simulation developer, we have a number of products on the market, and have been at this a long time. This is where you have to find your trust. 

[Bukkwild]

17 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Homeland Security actively monitors these forums, we have a rule in place, 1.16 specifically because we don't want people sharing documents, even their names. SO that is not going to happen. 

At the end of the day, we are a professional simulation developer, we have a number of products on the market, and have been at this a long time. This is where you have to find your trust. 

Homeland security monitors everyone, and they have been reading your email for years. Thin excuse to 'protect' supposedly public sources? And trust us cause we have been doing this a long time, doesnt address issues that you have had a long time.

[snipy]

43 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Homeland Security actively monitors these forums, we have a rule in place, 1.16 specifically because we don't want people sharing documents, even their names. SO that is not going to happen. 

At the end of the day, we are a professional simulation developer, we have a number of products on the market, and have been at this a long time. This is where you have to find your trust. 

 

I do dev for banking and finance.  I stood a GAP refund website up a few years ago in our DMZ, to facility indirect auto dealers' refunding GAP to customers.  The first IP that hit that website within minutes of it popping up DHS.  I don't know if they "actively monitor" us, but I imagine everyone running port 80 (and now 443) on IP is scanned pretty frequently.   Now, our GAP site doesn't have any ITAR stuff, but... you guys aren't an American company.  Other than extreme harassment, what can DHS do?  Do they... alert INTERPOL or something?  DHS can kick my door down, but if you're international... it's department of homeland security, not department of worldwide security. 

Edited July 1, 2021 by snipy

[NineLine]

5 hours ago, Bukkwild said:

Homeland security monitors everyone, and they have been reading your email for years. Thin excuse to 'protect' supposedly public sources? And trust us cause we have been doing this a long time, doesnt address issues that you have had a long time.

I have no idea what you are rambling about now. We have rules, we enforce those rules, this is how it will remain, if its too moderated for you, then you have the option not to post here as well.

5 hours ago, snipy said:

 

I do dev for banking and finance.  I stood a GAP refund website up a few years ago in our DMZ, to facility indirect auto dealers' refunding GAP to customers.  The first IP that hit that website within minutes of it popping up DHS.  I don't know if they "actively monitor" us, but I imagine everyone running port 80 (and now 443) on IP is scanned pretty frequently.   Now, our GAP site doesn't have any ITAR stuff, but... you guys aren't an American company.  Other than extreme harassment, what can DHS do?  Do they... alert INTERPOL or something?  DHS can kick my door down, but if you're international... it's department of homeland security, not department of worldwide security. 

 

We are not willing to gamble with our company or our customers, we have had users investigated recently. The bottom-line is if you don't like how this forum is run, and don't want to follow the rules, the simply don't post here. I can't tell you anymore than I already have.

 

End of discussion, follow the rules, don't get moderated.