Tiger II for 2.7

[Pipe]

did they fix the GBU for this plane..have not flown for sometime

 

[nomdeplume]

On 11/22/2021 at 8:30 AM, Pipe said:

did they fix the GBU for this plane..have not flown for sometime

Fixed how? It worked fine for me when I tried it the other day.

[Pipe]

doh! my mistake, I ment CBU. had no dispersion, you needed a direct hit more or less..

[Baltic Pirate]

1 hour ago, Pipe said:

doh! my mistake, I ment CBU. had no dispersion, you needed a direct hit more or less..

No. 450 kts at 3000ft drop height, round pattern about 60m wide.  Not what one would expect.

 

More on this here 

 

Edited November 23, 2021 by Baltic Pirate

[ST0RM]

Not this dates back to 2016. 5 years and no fix

[TLTeo]

Seeing as they aren't fixing the Hornet's Rockeyes being useless, it will take a miracle for the F-5's to be fixed. Maybe if we ever get a Phantom that carries the same munition..

[Beirut]

I'll just jump in here...

 

My historical knowledge of the F5 is thin, but only 2 stinky little Sidewinders? Two? It can carry tons of bombs but only two Aim-9s? What the point of a radar on the thing if they only designed it to hold two Sidewinders?

 

That said, I really like the DCS F-5 module. It's a lot of fun.

[Hammer1-1]

21 hours ago, Beirut said:

I'll just jump in here...

 

My historical knowledge of the F5 is thin, but only 2 stinky little Sidewinders? Two? It can carry tons of bombs but only two Aim-9s? What the point of a radar on the thing if they only designed it to hold two Sidewinders?

 

That said, I really like the DCS F-5 module. It's a lot of fun.

Gun reticle. The radar has an effective range of 20 miles, but allows you to track a single target so you can slave your seeker head and in a BFM fight helps with gun tracking.

[Beirut]

2 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Gun reticle. The radar has an effective range of 20 miles, but allows you to track a single target so you can slave your seeker head and in a BFM fight helps with gun tracking.

 

Thank you for that. But do you have any idea why they would make it to have only two Sidewinders? It can carry tons of bombs, but only two missiles. Seems... weak. 

[mayo25]

3 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Gun reticle. The radar has an effective range of 20 miles, but allows you to track a single target so you can slave your seeker head and in a BFM fight helps with gun tracking.

No, the range is 40 NM.

Edited December 1, 2021 by mayo25

[TLTeo]

43 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Thank you for that. But do you have any idea why they would make it to have only two Sidewinders? It can carry tons of bombs, but only two missiles. Seems... weak. 

Because two heatseekers is a perfectly normal loadout for most aircraft. You are unlikely to be able to take more than two good shots in a air combat anyway - at least IRL where missions are significantly more limited by fuel than in DCS.

Edited December 1, 2021 by TLTeo

[Beirut]

26 minutes ago, TLTeo said:

Because two heatseekers is a perfectly normal loadout for most aircraft. You are unlikely to be able to take more than two good shots in a air combat anyway - at least IRL where missions are significantly more limited by fuel than in DCS.

 

 

I guess. Just seems a bit anemic for a fast little fighter with a radar. 

[Fairey Gannet]

1 minute ago, Beirut said:

 

I guess. Just seems a bit anemic for a fast little fighter with a radar. 

F-5, by design, was light, simple and solid fighter. Two close range IR missiles were enough for self-defence, intercepting enemy bombers or performing CAP. Radar, while not being that powerful, was enough to provide some situational awareness and to guide to target in the final interception phase, previous guidance being provided of course by GCI. While not great, it could help in bad visibility, clouds and alike. It could help also at night, but F-5 versions without ILS were not considered as viable all-weather planes.

Now, just two weapons could seem not much, but potential opponents didn't had stellar payload either, in that regard. MiG-19 could also take 2 missiles, and it was later addition, not a day-one capability. MiG-21 also was upgraded during its service to take K-13 missiles (MiG 21F-13 variant, missile type is in the name here), also two weapons. I think MiG-21M was one of the first variants to carry 4 R-3S IR missiles, but I can be wrong here.  And F-5 was intended to fight in proxy wars with export versions of Soviet aircraft, that usually were either older iterations or having their capability limited for export. When it comes to Soviet stuff, you had domestic, most advanced versions (like MiG-21S), that were not allowed to be sold at all, Warsaw Pact variants, somewhat simpler and non-WP - usually most dumbed down or just older. Realistically, F-5 would meet latter two export tiers, as well as mix of MiG-19's and 17's. SARH weapons were introduced for 21's, (and one version of 19) but they were short range, and mainly intended to employ against non-manouvering targets, such as bombers, so for F-5 they wasn't real threat. 

[Beirut]

21 minutes ago, Fairey Gannet said:

F-5, by design, was light, simple and solid fighter. Two close range IR missiles were enough for self-defence, intercepting enemy bombers or performing CAP. Radar, while not being that powerful, was enough to provide some situational awareness and to guide to target in the final interception phase, previous guidance being provided of course by GCI. While not great, it could help in bad visibility, clouds and alike. It could help also at night, but F-5 versions without ILS were not considered as viable all-weather planes.

Now, just two weapons could seem not much, but potential opponents didn't had stellar payload either, in that regard. MiG-19 could also take 2 missiles, and it was later addition, not a day-one capability. MiG-21 also was upgraded during its service to take K-13 missiles (MiG 21F-13 variant, missile type is in the name here), also two weapons. I think MiG-21M was one of the first variants to carry 4 R-3S IR missiles, but I can be wrong here.  And F-5 was intended to fight in proxy wars with export versions of Soviet aircraft, that usually were either older iterations or having their capability limited for export. When it comes to Soviet stuff, you had domestic, most advanced versions (like MiG-21S), that were not allowed to be sold at all, Warsaw Pact variants, somewhat simpler and non-WP - usually most dumbed down or just older. Realistically, F-5 would meet latter two export tiers, as well as mix of MiG-19's and 17's. SARH weapons were introduced for 21's, (and one version of 19) but they were short range, and mainly intended to employ against non-manouvering targets, such as bombers, so for F-5 they wasn't real threat. 

 

I'm diggin' your history lesson. Thank you.  

[Hammer1-1]

10 hours ago, mayo25 said:

No, the range is 40 NM.

 

The effective range is 20. Thats when you can start tracking the target, correct?

Edited December 2, 2021 by Hammer1-1

[razo+r]

13 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

The effective range is 20. Thats when you can start tracking the target, correct?

 

You can track maximum 10NM. 

[Mordant]

22 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Gun reticle. The radar has an effective range of 20 miles, but allows you to track a single target so you can slave your seeker head and in a BFM fight helps with gun tracking.

Tiny bit off topic, but how do I slave the Aim-9 to the target lock? I understand generally dogfight mode and radar stuffs but I didn't know the F-5 had Aim-9 slave, could've helped me in a few situations...

[TLTeo]

I don't think you do, because as far as I know the AIM-9P (which is really just an updated/export -J/N) does not have any sort of SEAM capability like Navy AIM-9G/H did. The AIM-9B is definitely too old for that. The USAF missiles only got SEAM with the AIM-9L/M, which is not carried by our F-5.

What you can do however is uncage the seeker head once it's locked something in its boresighted FOV, and it will keep tracking that target even if it goes off boresight a few degrees, while you pull a bit of lead to help the missile along.

edit: also, what the STT modes of the radar are meant to do, other than help out with guns tracking, is a) estimate distance to the target, so that you know at what distance to fire your missile and b) guide you on an intercept course to whatever it is you're locking (I think the cross clue puts you on pure pursuit, but I might be wrong there), which is necessary for all-weather intercepts.

Edited December 2, 2021 by TLTeo

[Quati]

4 hours ago, TLTeo said:

 (I think the cross clue puts you on pure pursuit, but I might be wrong there)

 

I think if you keep the target at the center it would be a pure pursuit.

If you manage to keep a course and attitude which the target keep at the same bearing and azimuth while getting closer, you would be on a intercept course. But it should take a lot of practice to get that course and attitude within 10NM range, except if you are chasing a target that have a cold aspect with almost the same velocity.

[1MajorKoenig]

Am 22.7.2021 um 14:52 schrieb =Skywarp=:

I would like the F-5EM brazilian version, more capable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WOW! That would be amazing! Also: having 4 Sidewinders instead of 2 would come in handy

[LowRider88]

On 12/1/2021 at 4:59 PM, Beirut said:

 

I guess. Just seems a bit anemic for a fast little fighter with a radar. 

Hi Beirut,

Another reason may be because the F-5 was mainly targeted for the Military Assistance Program, I.e. for foreign buyers.  Mid range missiles may have been off limits for sale (except for high priority customers like South Korea and Japan for their F-4s), or too expensive, or too unreliable at the time.  

Maybe 2 missiles also meant the customer would then have to buy more planes.  Taiwan was not granted the opportunity to buy F-4s.  They would up buying over 200 F-5s to protect their small real estate.

[Tiger-II]

We are on BS3 now, so I can't see why ED couldn't produce an F-5E v2. I'd pay to see that (and some proper bug fixes and improvements to the flight model).