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I noticed that when I remove the pylons from the f-16 wings the drag never decreased. I think the pylons weigh about 500 pounds each. One would think with the 7 pylons removed from the f-16 drag will decrease significantly and therefore increase speed.

 

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16 minutes ago, Vinny002 said:

I noticed that when I remove the pylons from the f-16 wings the drag never decreased. I think the pylons weigh about 500 pounds each. One would think with the 7 pylons removed from the f-16 drag will decrease significantly and therefore increase speed.

 

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     Vincent 

 

I'm not really up on my science but i would assume you could have that amount of weight while not being drag inducing as pylons seem to have a very thin front to back profile.

 

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1 hour ago, Vinny002 said:

I noticed that when I remove the pylons from the f-16 wings the drag never decreased. I think the pylons weigh about 500 pounds each. One would think with the 7 pylons removed from the f-16 drag will decrease significantly and therefore increase speed.

 

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     Vincent 

How did you test this? The pylons absolutely add drag as is.

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3 hours ago, 504Blade said:

 

I'm not really up on my science but i would assume you could have that amount of weight while not being drag inducing as pylons seem to have a very thin front to back profile.

 

Weight alone causes more drag because of induced drag,  even if the pylons were completely dragless themselves.  The jet needs to make more lift, which needs a higher angle of attack, which adds induced drag. 

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5 hours ago, Vinny002 said:

@Exorcet, yes I tested the F-16 with all 7 pylons off. The speed at 36,000 feet is about 1,179 knots with 7 pylons on the F-16 or not.

 

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Interesting as other have reported an effect of the pylons, myself included:

 

At least when it comes to acceleration and turn rate.


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there have been no changes. 

 

Flight model is in review currently. 

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On 7/31/2021 at 4:21 PM, Vinny002 said:

@Exorcet, yes I tested the F-16 with all 7 pylons off. The speed at 36,000 feet is about 1,179 knots with 7 pylons on the F-16 or not.

 

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Indeed something wonky is going on the F16 and pylon drag is at neg value... Might explain why its such a rocket ship 🙂

 

This issue also affects the FM of some other aircraft like the Flanker for example with bomb racks reducing drag. Should be something for ED to look at for all AC. Correct modelling of ordinance drag.


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45 minutes ago, Vinny002 said:

Question for you, what is the rectangular display just above the caution and warning lights in the F-16 Viper called?

 

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See Chuck's Guide, page 59.

 

https://www.mudspike.com/chucks-guides-dcs-f-16c-viper/

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18 hours ago, Breakshot said:

Indeed something wonky is going on the F16 and pylon drag is at neg value... Might explain why its such a rocket ship 🙂

 

This issue also affects the FM of some other aircraft like the Flanker for example with bomb racks reducing drag. Should be something for ED to look at for all AC. Correct modelling of ordinance drag.

 

 

Also affects the Viggen. weapons and pylon drag is wonky and enables a higher top speed compared to a naked aircraft by 200kph.

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On 8/2/2021 at 12:30 AM, Breakshot said:

Indeed something wonky is going on the F16 and pylon drag is at neg value... Might explain why its such a rocket ship 🙂

 

This issue also affects the FM of some other aircraft like the Flanker for example with bomb racks reducing drag. Should be something for ED to look at for all AC. Correct modelling of ordinance drag.

 

I feel like F-16 indeed has ordinance drag, because with AG loadout the drag is quite huge. 

 

Pylon drag is something I have not tested so I cannot comment, but pylon does indeed significantly reduces the turn performance of the jet in dogfights, and the speed bleed much more quicker than a clean jet with no pylons. 

 

Anyway, lets wait for the FM fix that's hopefully coming next patch. 


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