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** Announcing DCS: Eurofighter by Heatblur Simulations & TrueGrit!! **


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3 hours ago, Hodo said:

I am happy for Truegrit and Heatblur.  But I agree with Lt_Jaeger.  I am tired of these kids toys Eurofighter...oh look another Fox-3 spammer for the skilless pilot.  

 

Where is the Phantom II, Crusader, Su-17, high fidelity anything Russian made after 1979.

 

Nope instead we get another plug and play flying iPad.

I get that people have been wanting a phantom for a while now and it would be cool but really ? Personally I think if spamraam'ers give you any problems at all you're the skilless pilot. I LOVE fighting spamraam'ers . Instead of having to evade 1 missile at a time in a back and forth fight I can just easily evade all their missiles at once then go kill the defenseless idiot. It's like taking candy from a baby. 

 

Eurofighter will be awesome. Will be fun to fly and a good challenge to fight against. Can't wait. 

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On 7/22/2021 at 7:16 PM, TLTeo said:

I can hear the people who think the Tomcat and Phoenix are OP already screeching about the Meteor and IRIS-T lol

 

Yes, but there is no reason to act like that. Meteor will be a curio, obviously it will have incomparably greater range and NEZ than any other missile (3 times (!) NEZ than AMRAAM according to pilot interview), easily outshooting everything in DCS, but Meteor became operational in Luftwaffe in 2021 and we don't even have other aircrafts from this timeline, so it most likely wouldn't be included in most servers. I.e. F/A-18C has been phased out from US Navy before Meteor even became operational. So after all mission creators will decide if they include it in particular timeline scenario or not.

 

IRIS-T became operational around 2006 together with Tranche 1 Eurofighter, but it will be simply a very good short range missile, similar to AIM-9X with helmet sight, possibly with even slightly better agility. Interesting and successfull European design.

 

(Even 2006-2008 German Tranche 1 EF with AMRAAM / IRIS-T will make a short work of any aircraft in DCS due to it's kinematics, supercruise and high altitude performance.)

 

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I am very happy to hear about this new partnership between Truegrit and Heatblur. If you bother to do something, do it right. And it shows maturity to ask others for help when you need it.

 

There was a negative comment earlier about "flying computer". Although negative, it was also a legitimate point. Part of the interest of DCS is to experience simulations of military aviation at different points of development / different times in history. So I hope that Heatblur will continue to allocate resources and bandwidth to the development of historically important and interesting aircraft from pre-flying computer years. Viggen and Tomcat are both stand out modules for that mix of "cutting edge old tech"... you can almost smell the valves warming up when starting up the Viggen. And the shakin' of the Tomcat pulling just over 15 AOA in a tight turn and pitching in with rudder... just outstanding.

 

There is room and interest for the Eurofighter, for sure. You can tell by the weight of hyped comments. I am excited for it too. Just also saying that I enjoy the mid-tech too. Things like the F-4 Phantom variants, the A-6 Intruder, the IDS / GR.4, The S.2 Buccaneer.

 

Anyways, congratulations to you both. Good luck. Take your time and do it right. Oh... and get Meteor involved again too!

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Big big congratulations to both TrueGrit and Heatblur on this partnership to bring the Eurofighter to DCS. Respect to Truegrit for first taking the challenge to bring the Eurofighter to us virtual simmers and having the honesty to own up when the complexity became mounting. They had good wisdom to call in a formidable hand in this business(Heatblur).

Also thank you Heatblur for accepting to take the challenge and we trust you would bring your expertise from your successful modules in DCS to bear in this highly anticipated jet.

My best wishes are with you both on this journey and know that should you ask me now, my money is very ready for this module and most certainly in the near future I hope.

 

Cheers.

  


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28 minutes ago, SPQR PRAETORIAN said:

I get that people have been wanting a phantom for a while now and it would be cool but really ? Personally I think if spamraam'ers give you any problems at all you're the skilless pilot. I LOVE fighting spamraam'ers . Instead of having to evade 1 missile at a time in a back and forth fight I can just easily evade all their missiles at once then go kill the defenseless idiot. It's like taking candy from a baby. 

 

Eurofighter will be awesome. Will be fun to fly and a good challenge to fight against. Can't wait. 

I know right? Vietnam era in dcs is dead and people should get over themselves about it. Personally I enjoy the skill involved in modern jets soooo much more than random sparrow failures and having to get VID on a target before shooting at it.

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25 minutes ago, nicktune1219 said:

I know right? Vietnam era in dcs is dead and people should get over themselves about it. Personally I enjoy the skill involved in modern jets soooo much more than random sparrow failures and having to get VID on a target before shooting at it.

 

I enjoy both, but to be objective human skill factor is smaller and smaller part of the equation every subsequent decade since WW1 and pilot will be replaced by the drones at some point in the future.

Notice 5th gen fighters don't even have 2-seater trainer variants anymore because flying itself became a trivial task compared to older manual jets. Some pilot said in the interview you could take a guy from the street and he most likely would be able to takeoff, turn and land an F-22. In times of F-4 or F-14 he would kill himself during the first few seconds of takeoff...

 

So no need to flex "Vietnam" vs "flying computers", both have their charm. Very different one.

No need to be salty about Sparrow failure - if you would know maintenance heavy modern jests are and how often different systems fail and how many of them are "hangar queens"...


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Excellent decision on TrueGrit's part to join forces with a more experienced developer. A TG-HB Eurofighter is a best case scenario for everyone.

Good luck with the development and keep us posted. Can't wait to see the release product.

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15 minutes ago, DaWu said:

Nice. Looking forward to it. Hopefully this means we will get AG capability too at release 

 

No. "Not a single pound for air-to-ground"

 

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Q: What version of the Eurofighter will you focus on?

A: We will focus on the German version of the Eurofighter, for obvious reasons. (...) The initial release will orientate itself around a Luftwaffe version with air to air capability only.

 

But it's good. The less they are distracting with A/G the more in depth and realistic they can go for A/A. Always look at the bright side of life. 

 

I prefer specialised uncompromised fighters for A/A and dedicated pure strikers/bombers for A/G. 

I don't like compromised "Jacks of all trades but masters of none".

 

 


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The thing is a Tranche 1 Block 5 only Air to Air EF cant have meteors. Thats for Tranche 2 block 15, and that version has almost full A-G complement. I cant figure out how an only A-A EF can have meteors but not AG capability. Thats a non existant Tranche/Block

 

So a German EF only Air to Air version no PIrate can be only Tranche 1 Block 5 Asraam/Amraam  ( below C version ) That´s all.


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5 minutes ago, DaWu said:

The EF is an Allrounder and AG will come anyway. Hopefully directly at release. The stated quote of yours is outdated now

 

Outdated? Heatblur wrote this 5 hours ago. When did this information become outdated? What has changed during this 5 hours?


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11 minutes ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

The thing is a Tranche 1 Block 5 only Air to Air EF cant have meteors. Thats for Tranche 2 block 15, and that version has almost full A-G complement. I cant figure out how an only A-A EF can have meteors but not AG capability. That a non existant Tranche/Block

 

So a German EF only Air to Air version no PIrate can be only Tranche 1 Block 5 Asraam/Amraam  ( below C version ) That´s all.

 

Well, since they probably are absolutely not allowed to model 2016 Eurofighter and since Meteor became a thing in 2016 I would say Meteor is going to be an "additional what if" weapon, not connected to real life version. I may be wrong but that's how it looks like. 


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6 minutes ago, kseremak said:

Outdated? Heatblur wrote this 5 hours ago. When did this information become outdated? What has changed during this 5 hours?

 

Probably nothing has changed. He WANTS to have A/G so he wrote the citation published few hours ago is outdated 🙂

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10 minutes ago, bies said:

 

Well, since they probably are absolutely not allowed to model 2016 Eurofighter and since Meteor became a thing in 2016 I would say Meteor is going to be a "additional what if" weapon, not connected to real life version. I may be wrong but that's how it looks like. 

 

 

Taking in count how hot could be this forum debating " what if" things ( F-16 HARMS on 4-6 - Mav IR for Harriers ) including the Meteor on a EF A-A only is going to be   " problematic "

 

In Spain for example the CLAEX had implemented Litening III and Amraam C on Tranche 1, i dont know about German Tranche 1 beeing retrofited with Meteors


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Tranche doesn't correspond to capability 1:1 in the way people think though (e.g. https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/228911-eurofighter-typhoon-facts-and-myths-faq/ ). And besides, "we will be releasing EA with air to air capabilities only" does not mean "we will be doing a Tranche 1 at full release". I mean, by that definition we have and will always have a Block Frankenjet Viper because it doesn't have the full capabilities of a USAF block 50 yet.

 


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14 minutes ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

 

 

Taking in count how hot could be this forum debating " what if" things ( F-16 HARMS on 4-6 - Mav IR for Harriers ) including the Meteor on a EF A-A only is going to be   " problematic "

 

Exactly. I prefer historical accuracy and realism so I'm waiting for some good explanation. 

But really even ~2006 EF will ba a balancing act between realism and classified documentation important for national security which can't be revealed.

 

Anyway I look at Meteor missile with a - really big - pinch of salt.

Good luck recreating guidance unit algorithms, classified propulsion modes, ECCM algorithms, active radar modes etc. of a super modern cutting edge technology missile which is just starting to enter service. 🙂


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22 minutes ago, kseremak said:

 

Outdated? Heatblur wrote this 5 hours ago. When did this information become outdated? What has changed during this 5 hours?

 

Outdated as you quoted a 1+ years old faq. HB themselfs wrote a couple hours ago in the Reddit megathread that AG will come during EA. So at release we will have AG. Question answered 

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I will be Happy for the rest of my life with an Air to Air only 2006 German EF , ( with spanish skin of course XD ), dont get me wrong.

 

But Meteors on such, is going to be interesting the official reason why.


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