DCS Mig-25PD

[Breakshot]

Guys why has this not been looked at seriously and in-depth?

 

An iconic, widely exported and retired aircraft with plenty info available (I would assume).

@ED have you ever considered it?

 

Anyone else thinks its the perfect and realistically possible module for ED or any third party to do?

 

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[kseremak]

This would be great! Extreme high altitude performance, pulse-doppler look down radar, gigantic missiles capable of maneuvering in a thin > 40,000ft atmosphere with oversize fins. It was used by USSR, India, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Egypt. Very interesting combat record, Israeli-Arab wars, Iraq-Iran war, up to Desert Storm when it was dogfighting with Eagles and managed to shoot down US Navy Hornet.

[upyr1]

yes especially if we can have a an AI SR-71

[Max1mus]

Its equally useless as a DCS MiG-29A would be, but it at least would offer something new. And as long as we´re not getting a modern MiG-31, might aswell have this.

[bies]

I hope MiG-25PD can be done after the MiG-29A. Fox at definitely has it's own character and quite a combat history in the Middle East. 

It would be like MiG-21 on steroids with nearly everything being bigger and more powerful. Very similar cockpit as well.

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by bies

[Mars Exulte]

On 8/2/2021 at 6:32 PM, Breakshot said:

 

Guys why has this not been looked at seriously and in-depth?

  For the same reason 9000 other aircraft haven't been done ultimately : there are only so many developers and so many hours in the day. If they did this one, you'd be griping about why the *insert* hasn't been done yet.

 

On 8/2/2021 at 6:32 PM, Breakshot said:

 

An iconic, widely exported and retired aircraft

  Like a lot of others

 

On 8/2/2021 at 6:32 PM, Breakshot said:

with plenty info available (I would assume).

  Assuming, you know what they say about that.

 

On 8/2/2021 at 6:32 PM, Breakshot said:

@ED have you ever considered it?

  They've probably ''considered'' thousands of planes what of it?

 

On 8/2/2021 at 6:32 PM, Breakshot said:

Anyone else thinks its the perfect and realistically possible module for ED or any third party to do?

  Possible? Sure, it's old enough and crude enough it very well might be. It's also an extremely niche aircraft that does exactly one thing well(ish). Like bombers. Would people like them? Probably. Ya know what people like even MORE though is a plane that can do more than one thing. I like the 25, too, but realistically, it's a poor choice for DCS especially with its many current shortcomings in AI and ECM.

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Mars Exulte

[kseremak]

15 hours ago, Mars Exulte said:

Possible? Sure, it's old enough and crude enough it very well might be. It's also an extremely niche aircraft that does exactly one thing well(ish). Like bombers. Would people like them? Probably. Ya know what people like even MORE though is a plane that can do more than one thing. I like the 25, too, but realistically, it's a poor choice for DCS especially with its many current shortcomings in AI and ECM.

 

Overall you are right, but to do MiG-25 justice things were not as black and white in reality. What you have described is classic early '70s MiG-25P with massive 1100 lb I-band Smerch pulse radar, very hard to jam and resistant to nuclear EMP, but with limited capabilities outside the simple high altitude interception, name it one trick pony. But Soviet doctrine evolved in the early '80s. 

 

MiG-25PD in early '80s received Saphir-25 pulse-doppler radar capable of shooting down lower flying targets, SPO-15 Beryoza RWR, KDS-155 flare/chaff dispensers, IRST sensor. Some MiG-25PD units trained an air combat, It received short range highly maneuverable R-60M missiles for close engagements. It was never a dogfighter like an Eagle, but it had more tricks in the sleeve than '70s MiG-25P.

 

US F-15 pilot said, in specific circumstances they met during Gulf War, Foxbat turned out to be a tougher opponent for them then Fulcrum, typical tactical dogfighter. Two MiG-25s put up quite a fight against two F-15C, dodging few missiles, confusing their radars. Other day MiG-25 managed to shoot down US Navy Hornet and was in a position to attack the next, but it has been called off by the Iraqi GCI not to attack other Iraqi aircraft operating in the area by accident. After shooting down the Hornet the MiG-25 managed to fly away safely and land on Iraqi airfield. Another day Iraqi MiG-25 managed to attack and probably damage Saudi Arab F-15C. And it's good to remember Iraqi air force were practically blind and at severe disadvantage in every possible aspect, from big numerical NATO advantage, through intel, training and so on, F-15C was the best fighter aircraft in the world at that time. MiG-25PD also shoot down few Iranian tactical fighters during '80s Iraq-Iran war.

 

MiG-25PD was a good aircraft when pilots were able to use its specific advantages. MiG-25PD cruising above Ma2 at 60,000ft, with PD radar and huge R-40 missiles locked on was the last situation an enemy pilot wanted to encounter. MiG-25PD wasn't to be easily defeated energetically by flying faster, higher and boosting the longer range missiles more and this was one of the the basic F-15C Cold War tactics against most Soviet aircrafts, using pure kinematic advantage of the aircraft/missile set. F-15C has the tools to defeat MiG-25PD but it had to be a bit creative, trying to break the lock by maneuvering or using superior ECM, create chaotic situation to use an advantage of NCTR, fly in a tight formation braking it after launch warning to use RAID mode processing power, trying to lure the MiG lower into denser atmosphere or make him slow down and bleed the energy in a turn and so on. But not a simple go Ma2 at 50,000 firing Sparrow and exert the dominance.

Evan for the extremely well trained and strictly selected F-15C pilots air superiority community in the '80s a fight against mixed formation of high/fast/big missile MiG-25PD and agile MiG-29A wouldn't be a comfortable situation because F-15 could outmaneuver the MiG-25 and outshoot the MiG-29 but it couldn't do both things easily at once. Add Sidewinder armed super nimble F-16A to the equation and it's really exciting combat.

Edited August 7, 2021 by kseremak

[Cmptohocah]

We could rally up as a community and develop it ourselves - provided someone has documentation though.

[Mars Exulte]

38 minutes ago, Cmptohocah said:

We could rally up as a community and develop it ourselves - provided someone has documentation though.

  That's how several 3rd parties got started. That's also why several prospective or even official 3rd parties ended up dissolving : because it's a lot harder than people usually think it is.

[WarbossPetross]

Guys, plenty of answers here and yet nobody has mentioned the most obvious argument against it - The Hound. MiG-31 is still in active service. And given the fact how hard it has been to negotiate the Shark (and we have yet to hear anything binding about MiG-29) there's only so much room for optimism.

[Mars Exulte]

15 minutes ago, WarbossPetross said:

Guys, plenty of answers here and yet nobody has mentioned the most obvious argument against it - The Hound. MiG-31 is still in active service.

  I don't see what the MiG-31's status has to do with the MiG-25.

[WinterH]

1 hour ago, WarbossPetross said:

Guys, plenty of answers here and yet nobody has mentioned the most obvious argument against it - The Hound. MiG-31 is still in active service. And given the fact how hard it has been to negotiate the Shark (and we have yet to hear anything binding about MiG-29) there's only so much room for optimism.

The two (31 and 25) share little between them beyond a passing resemblance. We can say same family, yes, but they are very much two different aircraft.

 

As for the MiG-25PD in DCS, so far I don't recall anyone showing an interest in that. And an air to air radar with working radar guided missiles would require SDK access as far as I know, barring community mod idea. However, there is one effort at a community MiG-25RBT. Maybe if they can become a 3rd party, they can entertain the idea of a payware PD after it. That is, assuming even the mod become an actual thing of enough quality.

[upyr1]

17 hours ago, WarbossPetross said:

Guys, plenty of answers here and yet nobody has mentioned the most obvious argument against it - The Hound. MiG-31 is still in active service. And given the fact how hard it has been to negotiate the Shark (and we have yet to hear anything binding about MiG-29) there's only so much room for optimism.

The MiG-25 and 31 are different generations their main similarities is they are both capable of reaching Mach 3.  So I don't know what to say either way

[Mainstay]

I really hope Heatblur picks up the MiG-25 and 29

[kseremak]

4 hours ago, Mainstay said:

I really hope Heatblur picks up the MiG-25 and 29

 

ED initially anounced unofficially the MiG-29 9.12, they want to make it after the Hind, they are eager to work on this one, they have real life MiG-29 pilots to cooperate, it's going to be a great and realistic module. We need to wait for the official announcment, probably after the well-deserved holidays guys have after the Hind release.

 

I have to admit Heatblur's MiG-25PD would be outstanding. They are working on the 2 unannounced modules to be released before EF and A-6. MiG-25 might be one of them.