Hummingbird Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, BreaKKer said: TF-30s don't weigh the same as F110s Was never talking about the A. Was saying that if what you said is true, i.e. that the empty weight of 43,735 lbs for the B/D listed in NAVAAIR is with Phoenix pylons on, then it should be a good deal lower without said pylons, as in clean empty weight. Meanwhile the DCS F-14B has a clean empty weight of 44,040 lbs, no pylons, no tanks. Edited August 29, 2021 by Hummingbird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiceman Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 9:52 AM, captain_dalan said: But if the pallets were never removed: Not sure what you mean by pallets, but if you’re talking about the Phoenix rails on 3/4/5/6 they are very quick-changeable, and at least in the 80s and early 90s they were removed/swapped in and out a lot. We rarely if ever carried four Phoenix. The two most common load outs during that time were 2/2/2 (patrol loadout) and 4/4/0 (ACM loadout). When carrying two Phoenix, we did not carry Phoenix rails on 4 and 5. Phoenix rails (and fairings) can be swapped out in less than 30 minutes. I’m sure standard loadouts varied by region and air wing. But the point is that rails and adapters are very much quick-change items and there’s no reason based in realism to include them in basic empty weight. 2 Former USN Avionics Tech VF-41 86-90, 93-95 VF-101 90-93 Heatblur Tomcat SME I9-9900K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3200 | Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe | RTX 2070 Super | TM Throttle | VPC Warbird Base TM F-18 Stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel_Thunder Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 @Spiceman On the 2/2/2 patrol load out, was it Phoenix on 3 and 6, Sparrow on 4 and 5, Sidewinder on 1 an 8? For the ACM loadout, I imagine the Sparrows were in the tunnel and Sidewinders on the gloves? PC: MSI X670E, Ryzen 9 7900X, 64GB DDR5 RAM, RTX 3090 Ti, TM Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pro Flight pedals, Opentrack Link to my Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/DieselThunderAviation Commander, 62nd Virtual Fighter Squadron Join the 62nd VFS today! Link to our discord server: https://discord.gg/Z25BSKk84s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreaKKer Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Diesel_Thunder said: @Spiceman On the 2/2/2 patrol load out, was it Phoenix on 3 and 6, Sparrow on 4 and 5, Sidewinder on 1 an 8? For the ACM loadout, I imagine the Sparrows were in the tunnel and Sidewinders on the gloves? Yes. back phoenix rails were usually removed for the 2-2-2. Just for example, this is a 2-3-2 Edited August 29, 2021 by BreaKKer BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector45 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 hours ago, BreaKKer said: Yes. back phoenix rails were usually removed for the 2-2-2. Just for example, this is a 2-3-2 That's one of my favorite configurations Modules: F-14A/B | F-15C | F-16C | F/A-18C | SU-33 | Spitfire Mk IX | AH-64D | UH-1 | Super Carrier | Combined Arms | Persian Gulf | Syria | NTTR Setup: VKB Gunfighter Mk.III F-14 CE HOTAS | Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle | MFG Crosswind V3 | Custom switch panel | Tek Creations F14 Display Panel | Custom F14 Left Vertical Console | Custom IR Tracker | Custom butt kicker PC: i7 11700K | 64GB G-Skill DDR4 3600MHz | EVGA GeForce RTX 3080Ti FTW3 | DCS dedicated 2TB M.2 NVMe SSD | 3440x1440 144hz 34" ultrawide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 9 hours ago, Spiceman said: But the point is that rails and adapters are very much quick-change items and there’s no reason based in realism to include them in basic empty weight. Ah, i just thought HB may have decided to keep the on at all times if this was considered standard practice and thus simplify things weight and drag wise. Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kseremak Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Does it mean F-14A and B are too heavy right now in pylon-less configurations, like 4 Sparrows between engines or clean? Or too light in Phoenix and pylons configuration? Edited August 31, 2021 by kseremak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 hours ago, kseremak said: Does it mean F-14A and B are too heavy right now in pylon-less configurations, like 4 Sparrows between engines or clean? Or too light in Phoenix and pylons configuration? That's what we were trying to establish Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ustio Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) more importantly, does the pylon have any drag at all? Edited August 31, 2021 by ustio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayhawk1971 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 All I know is that if the pylon weighs the same as a duck, it is made of wood, and therefore a witch. Burn it! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceCriminal86 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Jayhawk1971 said: All I know is that if the pylon weighs the same as a duck, it is made of wood, and therefore a witch. Burn it! Why not build a bridge out of it? 2 1 Heatblur Rivet Counting Squad™ VF-11 and VF-31 1988 [WIP] VF-201 & VF-202 [WIP] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiceman Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 12:01 PM, Diesel_Thunder said: @Spiceman On the 2/2/2 patrol load out, was it Phoenix on 3 and 6, Sparrow on 4 and 5, Sidewinder on 1 an 8? For the ACM loadout, I imagine the Sparrows were in the tunnel and Sidewinders on the gloves? Yes, 2/2/2 was Phoenix on 3/6, Sparrows on the wings. We never carried Phoenix on the wings in VF-41 during my time (mid-late 80s, early 90s). I’m sure it became more popular with the C (coolanol to the wings was a nightmare) and with the LANTIRN. Yes, ACM loadout was four Sparrows on the belly (never heard it called a tunnel in the real world). Former USN Avionics Tech VF-41 86-90, 93-95 VF-101 90-93 Heatblur Tomcat SME I9-9900K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3200 | Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe | RTX 2070 Super | TM Throttle | VPC Warbird Base TM F-18 Stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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